The truth about LOA 19 finally surfaces
10-26-2008, 07:26 AM
#61
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Yes, we are looking at 2010 for the departure of the 744 and DC-9's. This is part of DAL's fleet plan assuming the merger is completed....as of today these are the facts.
Originally Posted by NWA320pilot
I do not believe the 744 will be gone by 2010. I am attending 744 school now and our class had over an hour's worth of Q&A with the fleet manager on the 744 fleet and its direction, and we were informed there is no plan to retire the aircraft.
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
I am not sure that the fleet manager would know the mid-term plans, yet. Even if he did, he would be bound not to discuss them, as it is conjure to discuss anything that would be the decision of Delta, post DCC.
Just so I understand. You are not sure the NWA 747-400 fleet manager would know the mid-term plans, or, if he did, he would be bound not to discuss them, but you DO know the plans AND have no problems disclosing them.
Just who ARE you?
PG
10-26-2008, 07:29 AM
#62
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Why? Because every one of those 1470 NWA pilots will be gone by then...me included.Carl
OK Dude,
I usually don't get involved with this discussion, but I must call BS when I see it. Mother ALPAs roll over to the unopposed increase in retirement age screwed us young pups. I talked to numerous "experienced" pilots who said "I may work a year or two past 60" and again, I call BS. They'll work till death if able. All I can say is as I approach my golden years I hope to have a hobby and not be like these guys: slugging it out until 65 because their life at work IS their hobby. Not to mention these guys are a pain in the ..s to work with.
Yea I'm a cranky young bastard. Only difference is I see it for what it is, a job. It's sad to see all of you fight over stupid stuff. You want our relative seniority numbers? Fine, give us your DB plan. I don't think ANYONE on the DAL side will reject that offer. They will probably be gone and leave you stuck in their wake turbulence.
10-26-2008, 07:33 AM
#63
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
I sure hope we, both merger committees, can work this out, but I have my doubts. One group has to come off their respective stance and I just dont see that happening.
I'd love to stay and chat but I have some beer to drink!!! "D Maybe I'll get back on in a little while after I'm all loosened up!!!
Denny
I'd love to stay and chat but I have some beer to drink!!! "D Maybe I'll get back on in a little while after I'm all loosened up!!!
Denny
10-26-2008, 07:39 AM
#64
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
Carl,
I'm glad you see things my way!!! I'd hate to have to pull out my .357, .45, .38, and .22 to show you the error of your ways!!!!!!!!
That is a classic scene and, along with many others, is why I chose this "screen name." This is the first character I've seen since the original Star Trek that I've enjoyed watching Shatner in. IMO he owns Boston Legal.
Denny
I'm glad you see things my way!!!
I'd hate to have to pull out my .357, .45, .38, and .22 to show you the error of your ways!!!!!!!! That is a classic scene and, along with many others, is why I chose this "screen name." This is the first character I've seen since the original Star Trek that I've enjoyed watching Shatner in. IMO he owns Boston Legal.
Denny
Carl
10-26-2008, 07:55 AM
#65
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
acl65pilot,
Just so I understand. You are not sure the NWA 747-400 fleet manager would know the mid-term plans, or, if he did, he would be bound not to discuss them, but you DO know the plans AND have no problems disclosing them.
Just who ARE you?
PG
Just so I understand. You are not sure the NWA 747-400 fleet manager would know the mid-term plans, or, if he did, he would be bound not to discuss them, but you DO know the plans AND have no problems disclosing them.
Just who ARE you?
PG
Does not matter who I am. I am not bound by a non-disclosure on this issue, he would be. Lots of people are bound by non-disclosure currently. This I know. Fact is that if you ask the correct questions you will get the correct answers.
I know for fact that there are non-disclosures that have been signed for some of the future fleet plans. Those are difficult to discuss. Also of note, the union leadership is bound by these same non-disclosures.
10-26-2008, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy
Better check that one with your R&I guys, Carl. When our plan was hard frozen, everything stopped increasing.
Last try on this subject: I don't know anything about your plan, I'll take your word for what you say as accurate. But in the NWA plan it is almost the same as your plan except this point. Ready: Everything stopped increasing except your ability to work your way up to 25 years so that you weren't penalized.
We now return you to our regularly scheduled program: "NWA sucks and Delta rocks...starring Pineapple"
Carl
10-26-2008, 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by finis72
The replacement for the 747-400 is the 777-300ER.My money says DL converts the first NW 787-800 orders to the 777's. RA is on record saying he thinks the 787-800 is an under performer but he likes the -900.
Carl
10-26-2008, 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot
I have held this position at another airline during a merger and at least there the position was very informed as to where the fleet was going..... What he said had absolutely nothing that he would be bound not to disclose. Using your logic the DAL managers saying the -400 will be gone would be a breach of disclosure. Why do most DAL pilots love to beat the drum the -400 is leaving?
Why would anyone listen to the 747-400 fleet manager when you can listen to a new hire DAL line pilot with deep connections to Richard Anderson's janitor?
Carl
10-26-2008, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Does not matter who I am. I am not bound by a non-disclosure on this issue...
PG
10-26-2008, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by bigdaddie
OK Dude,
I usually don't get involved with this discussion, but I must call BS when I see it. Mother ALPAs roll over to the unopposed increase in retirement age screwed us young pups. I talked to numerous "experienced" pilots who said "I may work a year or two past 60" and again, I call BS. They'll work till death if able.
I usually don't get involved with this discussion, but I must call BS when I see it. Mother ALPAs roll over to the unopposed increase in retirement age screwed us young pups. I talked to numerous "experienced" pilots who said "I may work a year or two past 60" and again, I call BS. They'll work till death if able.
Originally Posted by bigdaddie
All I can say is as I approach my golden years I hope to have a hobby and not be like these guys: slugging it out until 65 because their life at work IS their hobby. Not to mention these guys are a pain in the ..s to work with.
Originally Posted by bigdaddie
Yea I'm a cranky young bastard. Only difference is I see it for what it is, a job. It's sad to see all of you fight over stupid stuff. You want our relative seniority numbers? Fine, give us your DB plan. I don't think ANYONE on the DAL side will reject that offer. They will probably be gone and leave you stuck in their wake turbulence.
Carl
