The truth about LOA 19 finally surfaces
10-26-2008, 03:25 AM
#51
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
The pension is exactly what I have stated to you Denny. in 2010, all 1985 guys will have 25 years in because they continue to accrue years toward their 25 even though the benefit is frozen. That was one good caveat we got just prior to bankruptcy.
10-26-2008, 04:38 AM
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Originally Posted by contrails
What do you think they would replace the -400 with at that time?
10-26-2008, 04:44 AM
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If there are fences as part of the arbitrated/negotiated seniority list and an aircraft type that is protected by a fence is retired, what happens to those pilots protected by that fence?
For example: DAL decides to retire the 747-400. The NWA pilots who are on that aircraft, and protected by the fence, have no aircraft. They can't go to the 777 because (I assume) that would be fenced too. Same with the 767-400. So they displace to the A-330 and those pilots displace the DAL 767-ER guys not protected by a fence. That strikes me as a bad deal (unfair) to the mid-seniority DAL pilots on the ER.
Or would it work differently?
Why are the DAL 767 aircraft (a widebody) not fenced, yet all the NWA widebodies are fenced?
For example: DAL decides to retire the 747-400. The NWA pilots who are on that aircraft, and protected by the fence, have no aircraft. They can't go to the 777 because (I assume) that would be fenced too. Same with the 767-400. So they displace to the A-330 and those pilots displace the DAL 767-ER guys not protected by a fence. That strikes me as a bad deal (unfair) to the mid-seniority DAL pilots on the ER.
Or would it work differently?
Why are the DAL 767 aircraft (a widebody) not fenced, yet all the NWA widebodies are fenced?
10-26-2008, 05:34 AM
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I think fairness would say the 777-300ER's would be flown by NW pilots as DL would be converting NW orders to get those airframes.There is also a strong possibility that the 787 will be a common category with the 777,a 5 day differences course.I think these are some of the reasons DL is against fences.What a goat rope this could turn into.Let's hope for a negotiated list that addresses all the issues for ALL DL pilots.
10-26-2008, 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Yes, and RA will not even hint at doing any hiring or whatnot until after DCC.
Yes, we are looking at 2010 for the departure of the 744 and DC-9's. This is part of DAL's fleet plan assuming the merger is completed. They are giving us the answers here in Georgia and that is why there needs to be protection for the bottom of the list. I know you do not like it, but as of today these are the facts.
Yes, we are looking at 2010 for the departure of the 744 and DC-9's. This is part of DAL's fleet plan assuming the merger is completed. They are giving us the answers here in Georgia and that is why there needs to be protection for the bottom of the list. I know you do not like it, but as of today these are the facts.
10-26-2008, 06:31 AM
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The 777-300ER is the replacement for the -400,when this happens has yet to be determined but it could start to happen as early as 2010 all depending on when DL could get the 777's delivered.
10-26-2008, 07:12 AM
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I am not sure that the fleet manager would know the mid-term plans, yet. Even if he did, he would be bound not to discuss them, as it is conjure to discuss anything that would be the decision of Delta, post DCC.
10-26-2008, 07:21 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
I am not sure that the fleet manager would know the mid-term plans, yet. Even if he did, he would be bound not to discuss them, as it is conjure to discuss anything that would be the decision of Delta, post DCC.
