SLI compromises
11-16-2008 | 02:11 PM
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I think what Opus is saying is:
1. Coming up with an 180 degree alternative is not necessarily a loss &
2. Not coming up with an alternative might become a loss. (Ecpecially when the arbitrators ask you to come up with an alternative.)
It applies to aviation and lawyering...
Always have a plan B. Does anyone know what DALPA's plan B was?
1. Coming up with an 180 degree alternative is not necessarily a loss &
2. Not coming up with an alternative might become a loss. (Ecpecially when the arbitrators ask you to come up with an alternative.)
It applies to aviation and lawyering...
Always have a plan B. Does anyone know what DALPA's plan B was?
11-16-2008 | 02:27 PM
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I think what Opus is saying is:
1. Coming up with an 180 degree alternative is not necessarily a loss &
2. Not coming up with an alternative might become a loss. (Ecpecially when the arbitrators ask you to come up with an alternative.)
It applies to aviation and lawyering...
Always have a plan B. Does anyone know what DALPA's plan B was?
1. Coming up with an 180 degree alternative is not necessarily a loss &
2. Not coming up with an alternative might become a loss. (Ecpecially when the arbitrators ask you to come up with an alternative.)
It applies to aviation and lawyering...
Always have a plan B. Does anyone know what DALPA's plan B was?
Yup, this is the alternative as described on pages 2415 and 2416. I have a feeling this is what was being discussed behind the scenes all along.
The difference is DALPA doesn't seem to have a backup plan except a straight ratio vs the stovepipe.
This is getting interesting. I agree with Tom Goodman, you are going to see someone cut a deal here......maybe by the end of the week, after all the presentations are done?
11-16-2008 | 02:27 PM
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Mea culpa. Mea culpa. I should not have used the word "won".
All I'm saying is, in my opinion, its a good thing for all of us that DOH appears to have been eliminated. Status and category is much more flexible and allows the committees and the arbitrators to fashion a list that will actually be a seniority list. No need for 10 year fences or 15 years of "dynamics".
Nobody will win. The categories will be put together in a way that is fair to both sides.
All I'm saying is, in my opinion, its a good thing for all of us that DOH appears to have been eliminated. Status and category is much more flexible and allows the committees and the arbitrators to fashion a list that will actually be a seniority list. No need for 10 year fences or 15 years of "dynamics".
Nobody will win. The categories will be put together in a way that is fair to both sides.
11-16-2008 | 02:40 PM
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newK,
Yup, this is the alternative as described on pages 2415 and 2416. I have a feeling this is what was being discussed behind the scenes all along.
The difference is DALPA doesn't seem to have a backup plan except a straight ratio vs the stovepipe.
This is getting interesting. I agree with Tom Goodman, you are going to see someone cut a deal here......maybe by the end of the week, after all the presentations are done?
Yup, this is the alternative as described on pages 2415 and 2416. I have a feeling this is what was being discussed behind the scenes all along.
The difference is DALPA doesn't seem to have a backup plan except a straight ratio vs the stovepipe.
This is getting interesting. I agree with Tom Goodman, you are going to see someone cut a deal here......maybe by the end of the week, after all the presentations are done?
Ferd,
I saw that part and thought it was very telling. But, isn't that our plan B? (Us admiting that if the arbitrators won't take DOH that the dynamic list is ok with us)
Is DALPA supposed to be presenting their plan B today?
11-16-2008 | 03:12 PM
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Add to that, I don't really think either side needs a plan B. It's not like the arbitrators are going to pick one sides entire proposal. My gut is the arbitrators knew pretty much where they were going with this list on day one of the hearings. All the talk has moved them very, very little. Asking for plan b, or backups or whatever is directed more toward getting the two sides to a negotiated list than how they may rule if need be.
11-16-2008 | 04:17 PM
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Because I want to see us succeed. People that say childish things like: "Delta has won" and "...it will never happen" are only setting themselves up for extreme disappointment if the SLI goes against what they predicted. It is this extreme disappointment due to certainty about an uncertain process that can cause people to want to burn the house down. I don't want to see that.
That's why I care.
Carl
That's why I care.
Carl
Maybe I'm just too recently released from divorce court but I don't have much faith in the legal process, lawyers, judges, UNIONS, etc, etc, etc.
Good luck to us all because that's what it has come to IMHO.
Regards and cheers!
PS - Who was that singing the opening of SNF?
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11-16-2008 | 04:31 PM
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Sorry, yeah I was typing fast. Yeah our plan B with a different set of categories. Had a fancy latin legal word that I take it translates to alternate.
11-16-2008 | 04:39 PM
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Be careful what you ask for. Anything less than 1.4ish and you run out of NWA guys towards the bottom of the list. Not a real popular position with your young guys.
But, your right about DOH....you are where you are
Oh wait, that's what the arguments about, never mind.Ferd
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11-16-2008 | 04:48 PM
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There has been no shift in positions by either side. The arbitrators wanted to see ALL the ideas thus the reason for presenting the dynamic list now. Hopefully after they see all of the ideas it will help them figure out the best outcome for everyone. We'll see.
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