Voting closes on July 12. I think at noon PHX time, but I am not sure about that part. Our last vote this results were released the same day voting closed.

 

With using your example; the answer received by other bloggers is the legal rules of 117 and current book since this term is currently undefined in our current contract. However since FDP is defined in this TA your example would be as follows:

"show time, 9:00 am at outstation, fly to base, block in, no flying on your schedule, approximately 11 hour of FDP remaining for 117 rules, with TA you would finish at 2 hours after block in or 1/2 remaining FDP whichever is less. You pick up your phone, hello scheduling, this is joe pilot, calling to be released. mesa scheduling, joe we are keeping you on FDP for 2 hours, we are short crews. joe pilot, is there any flying to be done now? no mr joe pilot, something might come up. with no flying to be had. Joe gets home, lives near the airport, does gardening and a trip to home depot. Three and half hours go by, ring ring, hello joe, its scheduling, just got a sick call from a pilot, we need you to get to the airport to do a short turn, you have a show time in two hours. I'm sorry but my FDP ended 2 hours after my last flight and am not able to accept this assignment. "

 

Half way answered at best. Does FAR 117 allow this? Show me. You never commented on my point that anything after you block in with no flying on your schedule is short call reserve as I read the FAR definition. Do you have an answer for that? And with no language, as usual, what can the company do after no flying, no ready, no release after block in and option 4 you stay on FDP. are you getting paid? per diem? What ?? I bet nothing as this TA is written. FAIL.

 

Again, vague imo. Not enough info. In this TA situation they have ready reserve and the vague part (option 4). How are you getting paid? The reason the company doesn't want to. Four options after you block in? seriously? I fault the lousy union neg. that let this slide. If you are going to be waiting to fly again (maybe, very little intent) on FDP, there needs to be compensation.

 

Your Question was answered, maybe a different approach is needed. I'll try to make it simple for you.

YES. You where already given a link from someone else. There have been many interpretations for FAR 117 and we recommend all crewmembers become familiar with them.

FDP is not short call reserve. (13-M-2-a)

The company has a right to assign you those four choices- FAR117.


You are paid minimum guarantee while on reserve or flight credit whichever is greater. Daily credit for reserves is 4 hours (76 hours / 19 works days = 4 hours daily)

NO.

 

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Originally Posted by wt93205

As for hotels they have improved a bunch except that one word (preferably) deltajuliet pointed out negates the whole thing. MagNeg you are wrong. If you don't believe me just wait.
What you should have each hotel requires xxx (6) out of xxx(10) listed below. That way you have flexibility with a Sheraton vs a Motel 6. You can still get that Sheraton without that one word "preferably" added in. That word means Mesa doesn't have to give you any that you listed. It is the same garbage as "suitable".

Preferable is only one section, another section is mandatory items listed as Hotel Criteria. What you suggest is one possible route, but then you give Mesa the option to choose 6 out of 10 items that are must haves? Keep in mind that deadbolts are a part of must haves, are you suggesting that Mesa could opt out of rooms with locks? That is a grievance generator and is not a good route to take for the pilot group. There are 23 mandatory items and 8 preferred items. It is not possible to secure every item on a 31 item list in every city we serve, therefore compromises must be made for the good of the pilot group.

 

You asked:

I referenced what you asked for. Nothing vague about it. Like I said, there are SEVERAL other iterations of the question that may provide the clarity you're looking for. I didn't link to them all, but I believe Wykoff and Mullen asked them and they are in 2015 IIRC.


I think you're getting confused with terminology. A RAP is NOT part of your FDP. Once the FDP clock has started and then stopped, you cannot go into another FDP or RAP until you have 10 hours of rest. What the FAA is saying in the interpretations is that the company can keep your FDP clock running after your last leg if there is some intention of you flying more, even if they aren't yet aware of it. "We may have some more flying for you later" is acceptable to the FAA for keeping your FDP clock running to the Table B max. It's not a RAP because it's inside of the FDP. It becomes one continuous FDP. Once the company determines it is no longer going to use you and/or the FDP clock runs to its Table B max, you're released to rest.

Now, companies/unions can call this FDP-clock-continuation period whatever they want for compensation/work rule purposes. They may even call it reserve, like you want, but it doesn't change the legal status of that time...it's still FDP time, not a RAP per 117.

Right now, Mesa can keep you on FDP right up until Table B max and then ask you to extend on top of that. There are no additional restrictions because it isn't addressed in the current contract.

In looking at your TA in 13.M.2 it looks like the company would be limited beyond what the FARs require as to how long you can kept in this FDP limbo world without additional assignment. That's why it's important to have this kind of time defined.

FAA definitions:

Short-call reserve means a period of time in which a flightcrew member is assigned to a reserve availability period.

Reserve availability period means a duty period during which a certificate holder requires a flightcrew member on short call reserve to be available to receive an assignment for a flight duty period.

The FAA defines short-call reserve as a pilot assigned to a RAP. If you've already been assigned into a flight duty period, then by definition you are no longer in a RAP and therefore are not on short-call reserve as the FAA defines it. The FAA would probably define any post-flight or in-between-flights-reserve as airport/standby reserve for regulatory purposes. The ready/airport/standby reserve term has other implications in the Mesa contract (namely extra pay), so they have to call it something else in the contract or else it would be confusing.

 

I probably was not clear on this part...
Separate the mandatory from the additional (preferred) items. Have your "mandatory" list and then your list of additional items each hotel must have. The additional list would have things like your microwaves, fridge, pool, breakfast, fitness center, etc. Of that list they would need to have a min of 5-6 or whatever out of them. My point is the section with preferable means Mesa doesn't have to give you any. Make them give you SOME of the things like I mentioned but it still leaves them room to put you in a holiday inn with no breakfast.

 

This is the better interpretation.

https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...rpretation.pdf

 

Your statement is exactly what we did. Reference the following:
5-B-9
5-B-10
5-B-11
These sections should clarify things for you.