United CPP comes to Mesa
03-21-2018, 07:48 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by thornfc6
Sorry to be a testament to calmwinds, but yes it is taking 6-7 months at Mesa in the EJet. I started mid Oct, and I just got my sim schedule starting end of March. It will be end of April, almost May when I’m done. (Hopefully)
Not to derail...CPP is definitely a carrot dangle/recruitment item
Not to derail...CPP is definitely a carrot dangle/recruitment item
03-21-2018, 08:45 PM
#33
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Originally Posted by VASBYT
Wow! Ok, so what do/did you do while waiting? Please don't tell me they make you stay in Phoenix?
I know of a few that tried to stay in PHX, but rumor is they were eventually told to go home. I know of a few from my class quit recently.
03-21-2018, 08:46 PM
#34
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Originally Posted by FlyingSlowly
OR they might just have to become the first legacy airline to fly 76-seat jets again --GASP-- on their own certificate. Bet there will be no shortage of pilots to fill the seats then...
Money and bona fide career progression speaks volumes.
[Furthermore, they could then figure out how to cram 84 seats on the same jets since they wouldn't have to worry about scope!]
Money and bona fide career progression speaks volumes.
[Furthermore, they could then figure out how to cram 84 seats on the same jets since they wouldn't have to worry about scope!]
03-22-2018, 03:33 AM
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I don’t think we will see 76-seat jets being flown by legacies (at least not anytime soon). What I do think you’ll see is each legacy flying something akin to the C-Series with 100 seats within the next 5 years. And their training departments already can’t keep up with demand. That is when things will get interesting in my opinion.
03-22-2018, 04:50 AM
#36
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"I know of a few that tried to stay in PHX, but rumor is they were eventually told to go home. I know of a few from my class quit recently."
Most in Phoenix have been told their hotels would NOT be extended, even though Mesa caused this debacle. They have been waiting for the email that never comes, the schedule that's never confirmed, and structure that is completely lacking.
Some were even called back for an FPT class and when their hotel time ran out mid-class, it wasn't extended. I think some of those guys just picked up and left.
This is clearly Mesa's problem and Mesa's problem to fix...but in typical Mesa fashion, they act like it's not their fault, have no responsibility to the pilot recruits they've jerked around and lied to, and everyone else must accommodate them. To leave your new hires essentially dangling in the wind, with no direction, no hotel, and no schedule is disgraceful.
Most in Phoenix have been told their hotels would NOT be extended, even though Mesa caused this debacle. They have been waiting for the email that never comes, the schedule that's never confirmed, and structure that is completely lacking.
Some were even called back for an FPT class and when their hotel time ran out mid-class, it wasn't extended. I think some of those guys just picked up and left.
This is clearly Mesa's problem and Mesa's problem to fix...but in typical Mesa fashion, they act like it's not their fault, have no responsibility to the pilot recruits they've jerked around and lied to, and everyone else must accommodate them. To leave your new hires essentially dangling in the wind, with no direction, no hotel, and no schedule is disgraceful.
03-22-2018, 05:06 AM
#37
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Originally Posted by DonConsult67
"I know of a few that tried to stay in PHX, but rumor is they were eventually told to go home. I know of a few from my class quit recently."
Most in Phoenix have been told their hotels would NOT be extended, even though Mesa caused this debacle. They have been waiting for the email that never comes, the schedule that's never confirmed, and structure that is completely lacking.
Some were even called back for an FPT class and when their hotel time ran out mid-class, it wasn't extended. I think some of those guys just picked up and left.
This is clearly Mesa's problem and Mesa's problem to fix...but in typical Mesa fashion, they act like it's not their fault, have no responsibility to the pilot recruits they've jerked around and lied to, and everyone else must accommodate them. To leave your new hires essentially dangling in the wind, with no direction, no hotel, and no schedule is disgraceful.
Most in Phoenix have been told their hotels would NOT be extended, even though Mesa caused this debacle. They have been waiting for the email that never comes, the schedule that's never confirmed, and structure that is completely lacking.
Some were even called back for an FPT class and when their hotel time ran out mid-class, it wasn't extended. I think some of those guys just picked up and left.
This is clearly Mesa's problem and Mesa's problem to fix...but in typical Mesa fashion, they act like it's not their fault, have no responsibility to the pilot recruits they've jerked around and lied to, and everyone else must accommodate them. To leave your new hires essentially dangling in the wind, with no direction, no hotel, and no schedule is disgraceful.
Well and what does that do to your PRIA record if you quit in the middle?
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03-22-2018, 06:49 AM
#38
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Originally Posted by tonsterboy5
Majors flying their regional feed sounds great at first until you think of the fact that it will most likely be a pay cut. Yes united will hire pay more for each seat than a regional but I can almost bet they will put new hires from regional into the 76 passenger jet for a few years. The progression would be Air Wisconsin or mesa FO for 2 years, then captain for 3 before moving to united. When you leave the regional you will be making 75ish and hour will most likely take a pay cut to sit do for 4 more years making mid 60s as a fo at United on the same regional jet. Yes the mid 60s is more than a regional pays a FO but they will just be filling those seats with prior regional guys. The period of changing from regional flying to all in house will basically screw everyone that has paid their dues by further stunting career progression. About 5 years in it will be great for the guys at 1500 as they will be able to go straight to a major but there will be a price to pay for those during the transition. Let me get my seniority number and be senior enough to not be stuck in a RJ for both a regional and major.
It's all words, just like numbers.
3+3= 6
Also 2+5-1 = 6
03-22-2018, 09:52 AM
#39
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Originally Posted by wt93205
All that and you still need a 4 year degree? lol Like you haven't suffered long enough at Mesa to just meet the hour requirements and be good to go. That is more torture then getting a 4 year. Talk about dedication. If you don't have a 4 year you are not a real pilot apparently in United's eyes. That is such a joke. Some of the worst pilots I have flown with when I was at Mesa also had MBA's... Some of the best, none. I feel for all you Mesa pilots who have a 2 year or none at all.
Absolutely none of us at United care if you have “suffered” at Mesa and feel you deserve to come here without meeting a pretty basic requirement for a career opportunity that wasnt earned, rather lucked into because United and Mesa can’t staff the operation without dangling this carrot.
To the good guys at Mesa that understand how fortunate they are to have this opportunity, I wish you all good luck in the interview and hope to see you on property soon.
03-22-2018, 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 4V14T0R
Well and what does that do to your PRIA record if you quit in the middle?
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This training disaster is a perfect excuse for picking up and going elsewhere.
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