United CPP comes to Mesa
03-21-2018, 06:10 PM
#24
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We still have zero hard numbers on what the CPP will be at Air Wisconsin, so I would treat the 10% number provided by the recruiter with extreme skepticism.
United is in a tough place with their regional feed from a staffing perspective. They have no wholly owned carriers (and are effectively prohibited from having any due to agreements with their unions) which places them at a disadvantage compared to American and Delta.
For those of us flying for United Express, the CPP is either going to end up as a winning lottery ticket or it will be a slow death march of understaffed brutal schedules. There really is no in between. It is in United’s best interests to make the CPP a massive success. Otherwise they are going to run out of people to fly RJ’s and provide feed.
United is in a tough place with their regional feed from a staffing perspective. They have no wholly owned carriers (and are effectively prohibited from having any due to agreements with their unions) which places them at a disadvantage compared to American and Delta.
For those of us flying for United Express, the CPP is either going to end up as a winning lottery ticket or it will be a slow death march of understaffed brutal schedules. There really is no in between. It is in United’s best interests to make the CPP a massive success. Otherwise they are going to run out of people to fly RJ’s and provide feed.
03-21-2018, 06:30 PM
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This is all just a carrot to keep people around longer. Mesa attrition is high and this is a quick copy and past “flex seal” patch to stop the bleeding... most Mesa Jumpseaters i have talked to have class dates at Endeavor ect...
03-21-2018, 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by T28driver
Otherwise they are going to run out of people to fly RJ’s and provide feed.
Money and bona fide career progression speaks volumes.
[Furthermore, they could then figure out how to cram 84 seats on the same jets since they wouldn't have to worry about scope!]
03-21-2018, 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyingSlowly
OR they might just have to become the first legacy airline to fly 76-seat jets again --GASP-- on their own certificate. Bet there will be no shortage of pilots to fill the seats then...
Money and bona fide career progression speaks volumes.
[Furthermore, they could then figure out how to cram 84 seats on the same jets since they wouldn't have to worry about scope!]
Money and bona fide career progression speaks volumes.
[Furthermore, they could then figure out how to cram 84 seats on the same jets since they wouldn't have to worry about scope!]
One can hope. I agree that this would be the best possible scenario for everyone involved. I also firmly believe that the first Major that brings the small jets in house will be in a much better position from a staffing standpoint 5-10 years from now than the majors that do not.
03-21-2018, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by calmwinds
Ejet training program is in shambles. Waiting for it to be fixed. My definition of fixed is 3 months from DOH to IOE. I think they are still working on getting the August and September classes to IOE.
Or am I misunderstanding, I intiially thought this comment was made in reference to XJT. After a second read I realize I may be wrong here.
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03-21-2018, 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Greygore1869
Okay, ive been reading these forums for a while and this sentence has forced me to finally make an account and reply. Where do you come up with this S$&!? If people are taking that long there is seriously something wrong. The training footprint currently is just under 3 or right on 3 months. Not great but nowhere near the 7-8 you are saying.....
Or am I misunderstanding, I intiially thought this comment was made in reference to XJT. After a second read I realize I may be wrong here.
Or am I misunderstanding, I intiially thought this comment was made in reference to XJT. After a second read I realize I may be wrong here.
Not to derail...CPP is definitely a carrot dangle/recruitment item
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