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Old 04-22-2018 | 07:31 AM
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Originally Posted by MagPBS
And we are unlike any of the other airlines in the program. Remember how it went up you had to be in a Ua base and then that changed?
MagPBS, can you (or anyone) clarify this? Last I read you had to be flying in a United base to qualify? Does it appear that has changed?

I would be surprised. Why would United want to help staff American’s feed?
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Old 04-22-2018 | 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Skyler02
MagPBS, can you (or anyone) clarify this? Last I read you had to be flying in a United base to qualify? Does it appear that has changed?

I would be surprised. Why would United want to help staff American’s feed?
United won’t. That is why I expect this to fall through. All of the regionals flying United Express will want the CPP. If all get the CPP happens, then there won’t be anything special about Mesa’s program.
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Old 04-22-2018 | 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Skyler02
MagPBS, can you (or anyone) clarify this? Last I read you had to be flying in a United base to qualify? Does it appear that has changed?

I would be surprised. Why would United want to help staff American’s feed?
There’s no final word yet. A few of us noticed on the official cpp page that it originally said must have flown previous 12 months on UA side and continue to fly on that side. Now that specific language has been removed. But that could be a recruiting tool
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Old 04-23-2018 | 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by calmwinds
So, possibly a recruiting tool that never manifests itself in reality......

This is an existing program at other regionals. What and where is the hold-up?
The more regionals that United dangles the CPP to the more watered-down it becomes and the less effective of a recruiting tool it will become. I’m happy that Mesa got it but I have to wonder if United isn’t throwing mud at a wall to see what sticks at this point. They seem to have no real cohesive plan for the regionals at the moment.
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Old 04-23-2018 | 09:15 AM
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CPP is not going to happen, it’s just for recruitment, just like Atlanta base.
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Old 04-23-2018 | 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by madruski
CPP is not going to happen, it’s just for recruitment, just like Atlanta base.
Yep, in a few months, Mesa will announce that they could not come to terms with United that is fair to the entire pilot group and the CPP is being dropped. Another round of false advertising to get new hires.
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Old 04-23-2018 | 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by calmwinds
United won’t. That is why I expect this to fall through. All of the regionals flying United Express will want the CPP. If all get the CPP happens, then there won’t be anything special about Mesa’s program.
There's nothing special about the Mesa CPP already....CommutAir, Expressjet, and Air Wisconsin already have it. However, if we get a certain percentage of the new hire spots, then it doesn't matter if other carriers get it also. 10% (or whatever percentage) is still 10%.

ALPA for ALPA doesn't really apply when these deals are made without Union involvement. It should apply since it was a union agenda, but I don't think it's part of the equation.
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Old 04-23-2018 | 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by 20sx
There's nothing special about the Mesa CPP already....CommutAir, Expressjet, and Air Wisconsin already have it. However, if we get a certain percentage of the new hire spots, then it doesn't matter if other carriers get it also. 10% (or whatever percentage) is still 10%.

ALPA for ALPA doesn't really apply when these deals are made without Union involvement. It should apply since it was a union agenda, but I don't think it's part of the equation.
The only thing “special” is Mesa is trying to apply this to a non-UAX base. Not that way at any of the other regionals you mentioned.
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Old 04-23-2018 | 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by calmwinds
The only thing “special” is Mesa is trying to apply this to a non-UAX base. Not that way at any of the other regionals you mentioned.
Considering the number of us with years and years of ua experience who would get shut out because we’re not in iad. It’s not about us helping aa. It’s about us helping Mesa.
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Old 04-23-2018 | 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Sennant
Considering the number of us with years and years of ua experience who would get shut out because we’re not in iad. It’s not about us helping aa. It’s about us helping Mesa.
Not a problem with the other bases being angry or jealous. I just don’t see it being worked out. This is no different than the ATL base. All hat, no cattle.
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