Considering Move Envoy to Mesa
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It's actually pretty bad. One flight a day each way on United - seen it get weight restricted once or twice. On reserve you generally have to commute the day before, and often times depending on your finish, commute back the day after. You can see the problem when you only have 1-2 days off... 2-legging it to/from work can be common, and ironically ORD turns out to be one of the frequent connections...
Both, but assume you're always going to be last on the list with AA. United priority is just okay.
This is all in addition to our lackluster work rules and low pay.
I would very seriously look at Compass or SkyWest.
Both, but assume you're always going to be last on the list with AA. United priority is just okay.
This is all in addition to our lackluster work rules and low pay.
I would very seriously look at Compass or SkyWest.
I think it is about a year to get PHX as an FO, a year on reserve once an FO is there, and forever to upgrade.
He will also start out commuting to DTW or ATL at SkyWest. Neither are that great from PHX.
Also, the pay at SkyWest is the same as Mesa and the reserve rules are much worse. They have a combo long call-2 your call out combo. Everyone on 2 hour call out (call out starts at Noon) must check in by 6 pm the night before. SkyWest can then put you on a flight the very next morning. This makes commuting on reserve at SkyWest impossible. I can’t believe it but Mesa’s work rules are better than SkyWest’s.
I believe Compass would be a better option for him given what you are saying about the commute.
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Before he seriously considers SkyWest, he needs to ask them how long before he can hold it as a FO, then how long he would be on reserve in PHX as an FO, then how long before he upgrades there.
I think it is about a year to get PHX as an FO, a year on reserve once an FO is there, and forever to upgrade.
He will also start out commuting to DTW or ATL at SkyWest. Neither are that great from PHX.
Also, the pay at SkyWest is the same as Mesa and the reserve rules are much worse. They have a combo long call-2 your call out combo. Everyone on 2 hour call out (call out starts at Noon) must check in by 6 pm the night before. SkyWest can then put you on a flight the very next morning. This makes commuting on reserve at SkyWest impossible. I can’t believe it but Mesa’s work rules are better than SkyWest’s.
I believe Compass would be a better option for him given what you are saying about the commute.
I think it is about a year to get PHX as an FO, a year on reserve once an FO is there, and forever to upgrade.
He will also start out commuting to DTW or ATL at SkyWest. Neither are that great from PHX.
Also, the pay at SkyWest is the same as Mesa and the reserve rules are much worse. They have a combo long call-2 your call out combo. Everyone on 2 hour call out (call out starts at Noon) must check in by 6 pm the night before. SkyWest can then put you on a flight the very next morning. This makes commuting on reserve at SkyWest impossible. I can’t believe it but Mesa’s work rules are better than SkyWest’s.
I believe Compass would be a better option for him given what you are saying about the commute.
I like that Mesa is fast paced in terms of flying and rewards you well for picking up trips. As for any rumors of Mesa being bad in terms of management/contract, ha, Envoy is no cake walk let me tell you.
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It's actually pretty bad. One flight a day each way on United - seen it get weight restricted once or twice. On reserve you generally have to commute the day before, and often times depending on your finish, commute back the day after. You can see the problem when you only have 1-2 days off... 2-legging it to/from work can be common, and ironically ORD turns out to be one of the frequent connections...
Both, but assume you're always going to be last on the list with AA. United priority is just okay.
This is all in addition to our lackluster work rules and low pay.
I would very seriously look at Compass or SkyWest.
Both, but assume you're always going to be last on the list with AA. United priority is just okay.
This is all in addition to our lackluster work rules and low pay.
I would very seriously look at Compass or SkyWest.
As far as commuting, there is only one nonstop flight on United, however, AA does fly 3 times into DCA.
As of now, that's about a 1 hour Metro/Bus commute on its own. However, the direct "Metro only" construction should be finished by 2019. I think it's about 10 bucks each way.
Plus there is always Uber.
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MAGPBS or someone with first hand knowledge of the AA contracts needs to comment. My info is based on others posts here that the AA contract is up for renegotiation next year. CPA’s do vary with when Mesa brings aircraft onboard. So, it is possible 2015 new aircraft would have a 10 year CPA.
http://employeeportal.mesa-air.com/M...20Brochure.pdf
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...and that same Recruiting Brochure says it's 8-10 weeks from showing up in Phoenix for training until IOE...
...tell that to the November, December, January and February classes and see the reaction.
Mesa should move their HQ to Fantasyland.
...tell that to the November, December, January and February classes and see the reaction.
Mesa should move their HQ to Fantasyland.
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November class, on the line, been so for two months. Hi! Thank you, come again. Next conspiracy please. E-jet is horribly backed up though.
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How many Ejet pilots were trained in Helsinki or Paris?
Rumor is the new hire bonuses are going away.
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The brochure says our training will take a maximum of 14 weeks from day one till IOE. That tells me that the January class should be on the line. Is that the case for the CRJ and the Ejet?
How many Ejet pilots were trained in Helsinki or Paris?
Rumor is the new hire bonuses are going away.
How many Ejet pilots were trained in Helsinki or Paris?
Rumor is the new hire bonuses are going away.
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