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Old 08-09-2018 | 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Hou757
Pretty sad results for the IPO.
It depends on how you look at it. Our market cap doubled today, instead of tripling.

From my perspective, it is good to have the financial reports of the company public. It means we have a clue what is going on.
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Old 08-09-2018 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Hou757
Pretty sad results for the IPO.
It can be viewed that way. They were targeting a minimum of $14 per share and they only got $12. Still enough cash for down payments on 25 E175 SC’s if United wants to assign those to us.
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Old 08-09-2018 | 06:51 PM
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If and when mesa goes public there might be a chance united buys mesa for dirt cheap and and makes them fly their 25 emb175 with no scope cluase with united alpa
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Old 08-09-2018 | 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by calmwinds
Mesa is leveraged. The banks don’t own the 175’s. Mesa does. The banks don’t finance aircraft with the intent of getting them back through repossession.

I guess the bank owns your home since they hold the mortgage, if you don’t live in a crash pad or an apartment. That just isn’t the way financing works.

Mesa has built financial equity in the 175’s with each passing month. And, the prospectus says that if 175’s have low financial risk if the CPA is executed to completion, meaning they will have a positive ownership value at the end.

You need to take a class in finance and accounting.
What happens when you stop making payments on your house or a car? It goes to the bank. You don't have the title to the car until it's paid off. Mesa is making payments because they don't own what ever outright.
Take a class in finance? Seriously? When the crap hits the fan, you'll discover exactly what Mesa owns which is very little...
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Old 08-09-2018 | 07:13 PM
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I mean, you have to be a very naive optimist to say this IPO was nothing but a complete disaster for Mesa.
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Old 08-09-2018 | 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by No Land 3
What happens when you stop making payments on your house or a car? It goes to the bank. You don't have the title to the car until it's paid off. Mesa is making payments because they don't own what ever outright.
Take a class in finance? Seriously? When the crap hits the fan, you'll discover exactly what Mesa owns which is very little...
Seriously, the title doesn’t sit in the bank’s name even for your car. There is a lien placed against your title. The title is still in Mesa’s name. Just like your car or your house.

It is true they can repossess the Ejets. But, most aircraft are financed unless they are very old. Try looking at SkyWest’s, American’s, Southwest’s, Delta’s, and United’s financials to see how many planes they really own outright.

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Old 08-09-2018 | 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by friend
If and when mesa goes public there might be a chance united buys mesa for dirt cheap and and makes them fly their 25 emb175 with no scope cluase with united alpa
That is true. However, to do so without Mesa board approval requires that United owns shares for 2 years. Not so with American who already owns shares.
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Old 08-09-2018 | 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by dera
I mean, you have to be a very naive optimist to say this IPO was nothing but a complete disaster for Mesa.
A complete disaster for an IPO is when the underwriters pull out. Mesa’s management got greedy and overpriced the shares. They thought they could hide that some of United’s CPA’s were about to expire. And, other negative things about the company.

It will be interesting when Mesa has to file the quarterly report of who owns more than 5%.

But, I agree that it looks bad when an IPO sells for less than the bottom asking price. The underwriters probably looked at SKW and figured they could value Mesa in that ballpark.

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Old 08-10-2018 | 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by calmwinds
It can be viewed that way. They were targeting a minimum of $14 per share and they only got $12. Still enough cash for down payments on 25 E175 SC’s if United wants to assign those to us.
Or hopefully enough for industry standard wages and benefits.
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Old 08-10-2018 | 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Bonanzer
Or hopefully enough for industry standard wages and benefits.

Almost guarentee anything they make off the IPO isn't going anywhere near the pilots or flight attendants or mechanics pay.
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