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10-14-2019, 01:21 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
The funny thing about our contract 2013 is that it gave us SAP and our critical pay language. SAP is hands down the best quality of life tool pilots enjoy anywhere in this industry and our original critical pay language (before the arbitrator weighed in) made us the highest paid regional at the time. Not to mention PSA was around 500 pilots back then. There was no leverage then (just like you have no leverage now). When I went to PSA I didn’t have a clue about 121. I went where I could easily commute to since we weren’t in a position to move. And given what I know now I still wouldn’t have chose differently.
SkyWest has directly benefitted from the money and efforts of ALPA pilots. And you have given nothing in return except for wasting ALPA dues on the laughable attempts to unionize.
It’s funny how so many SkyWest pilots spew this nonsense. “ALPA hasn’t done anything for regionals”. You couldn’t be more mistaken. And you couldn’t be more ill-informed about what exactly it is that ALPA does.
SkyWest has directly benefitted from the money and efforts of ALPA pilots. And you have given nothing in return except for wasting ALPA dues on the laughable attempts to unionize.
It’s funny how so many SkyWest pilots spew this nonsense. “ALPA hasn’t done anything for regionals”. You couldn’t be more mistaken. And you couldn’t be more ill-informed about what exactly it is that ALPA does.
10-14-2019, 01:56 PM
#32
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Posts: 1,130
Originally Posted by chrisreedrules
It’s funny how so many SkyWest pilots spew this nonsense. “ALPA hasn’t done anything for regionals”. You couldn’t be more mistaken. And you couldn’t be more ill-informed about what exactly it is that ALPA does.
This guy! Haha!
10-15-2019, 04:59 AM
#33
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Joined APC: Jan 2014
Posts: 1,295
Originally Posted by Sniper66
PSA sold out their Allegheny and Piedmont brothers whollyowns
Back in 1996 for a price of RJs over a 12 hour close door session
I am sure you were at Junior high back then so ask a senior pilot there if there is one.
PSA has no room to talk about unity I may say
Back in 1996 for a price of RJs over a 12 hour close door session
I am sure you were at Junior high back then so ask a senior pilot there if there is one.
PSA has no room to talk about unity I may say
10-15-2019, 05:12 AM
#34
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Position: E175 Captain
Posts: 84
Could somebody with knowledge of the topic please care to explain what where these changes UALPA is saying Skywest, Republic and Mesa didn’t agree to back in May and is the reason we are all dumped to the “OAL” priority?
And has there been official communication from our Union on the topic that I’ve missed somehow?... in addition to the email in October 11th explaining the new jumpseat priority.
And has there been official communication from our Union on the topic that I’ve missed somehow?... in addition to the email in October 11th explaining the new jumpseat priority.
10-15-2019, 08:31 AM
#35
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Posts: 688
Originally Posted by Jungedrache
Could somebody with knowledge of the topic please care to explain what where these changes UALPA is saying Skywest, Republic and Mesa didn’t agree to back in May and is the reason we are all dumped to the “OAL” priority?
And has there been official communication from our Union on the topic that I’ve missed somehow?... in addition to the email in October 11th explaining the new jumpseat priority.
And has there been official communication from our Union on the topic that I’ve missed somehow?... in addition to the email in October 11th explaining the new jumpseat priority.
It's been going on for a couple of years that they've tried this.
10-15-2019, 08:39 AM
#36
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Joined APC: May 2015
Position: 777 CA
Posts: 1,029
Originally Posted by Sennant
United wants priority #1 on any aircraft with United paint on it.
It's been going on for a couple of years that they've tried this.
It's been going on for a couple of years that they've tried this.
Own metal always goes first. Geez where are guys coming up with this stuff.
On non exclusive it’s still TOC for everyone after that. The charts are everywhere. You guys need to take a step back and see what the agreement is before going off the rails.
UAX NON-EXCLUSIVE CARRIER JUMPSEAT ACCESS:
Priority on UAX Non-Exclusive Aircraft Jumpseat (GoJet)
1 - FAA, Government, or Approved United Personnel
Must Ride
2 - Operating Carrier Pilots
(e.g. GoJet Pilot on a GoJet flight)
Date of Hire
3 - Operating Carrier Dispatchers
Date of Hire
4 - UA and UAX Pilots
Time of Check-in
5 -UA and UAX Dispatchers
Time of Check-in
6 -Other Airline Pilots
Time of Check-in
7- Other Airline Dispatchers
Time of Check-in
8 - Other Airline Non - CASS Pilots
Time of Check-in
9 -FAA ATC
Time of Check-in
When Skywest RAH and Mesa sign they join GoJet in this chart.
10-15-2019, 10:30 AM
#37
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Posts: 40
Attention: mesa jumpseating pilots, make sure the crew knows you are at the gate, despite what you have heard from Ual-Mec or Mesa Alpa, ual Gate agents may put you behind mainline pilot for your own jumpseat. Don’t be passive.
10-15-2019, 10:49 AM
#38
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Joined APC: May 2015
Position: 777 CA
Posts: 1,029
Originally Posted by Uffda
Attention: mesa jumpseating pilots, make sure the crew knows you are at the gate, despite what you have heard from Ual-Mec or Mesa Alpa, ual Gate agents may put you behind mainline pilot for your own jumpseat. Don’t be passive.
10-15-2019, 11:11 AM
#39
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Originally Posted by UALinIAH
Completely false.
Own metal always goes first. Geez where are guys coming up with this stuff.
On non exclusive it’s still TOC for everyone after that. The charts are everywhere. You guys need to take a step back and see what the agreement is before going off the rails.
UAX NON-EXCLUSIVE CARRIER JUMPSEAT ACCESS:
Priority on UAX Non-Exclusive Aircraft Jumpseat (GoJet)
1 - FAA, Government, or Approved United Personnel
Must Ride
2 - Operating Carrier Pilots
(e.g. GoJet Pilot on a GoJet flight)
Date of Hire
3 - Operating Carrier Dispatchers
Date of Hire
4 - UA and UAX Pilots
Time of Check-in
5 -UA and UAX Dispatchers
Time of Check-in
6 -Other Airline Pilots
Time of Check-in
7- Other Airline Dispatchers
Time of Check-in
8 - Other Airline Non - CASS Pilots
Time of Check-in
9 -FAA ATC
Time of Check-in
When Skywest RAH and Mesa sign they join GoJet in this chart.
Own metal always goes first. Geez where are guys coming up with this stuff.
On non exclusive it’s still TOC for everyone after that. The charts are everywhere. You guys need to take a step back and see what the agreement is before going off the rails.
UAX NON-EXCLUSIVE CARRIER JUMPSEAT ACCESS:
Priority on UAX Non-Exclusive Aircraft Jumpseat (GoJet)
1 - FAA, Government, or Approved United Personnel
Must Ride
2 - Operating Carrier Pilots
(e.g. GoJet Pilot on a GoJet flight)
Date of Hire
3 - Operating Carrier Dispatchers
Date of Hire
4 - UA and UAX Pilots
Time of Check-in
5 -UA and UAX Dispatchers
Time of Check-in
6 -Other Airline Pilots
Time of Check-in
7- Other Airline Dispatchers
Time of Check-in
8 - Other Airline Non - CASS Pilots
Time of Check-in
9 -FAA ATC
Time of Check-in
When Skywest RAH and Mesa sign they join GoJet in this chart.
I don't count own metal. Everyone has own metal as #1.
Here's the "chart" that's been in play for over 7 years. That everyone negotiated and agreed to. And yes United pretty much forced a change from this agreed upon format to
Own Metal (Happy)
United (always)
Express (but only the special kids)
Everyone else
10-15-2019, 11:40 AM
#40
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Position: 777 CA
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United updated the chart to align with the rest of the industry. Priority on our non exclusives hasn’t changed. It’s the same as it always was. All UA/UAX are time of check-in behind the operating airline.
The only change is on UA and UAX exclusive flights where united has joined what DAL and American do with their exclusive (WO).
So again what is all the pushback about? Nobody is asking for any change to RAH, Mesa or Skywest plane priorities. It’s Own then all UA/UAX TOC.
The only change is on UA metal and UAL exclusive metal. Neither of which the non exclusives have any say in.
The only change is on UA and UAX exclusive flights where united has joined what DAL and American do with their exclusive (WO).
So again what is all the pushback about? Nobody is asking for any change to RAH, Mesa or Skywest plane priorities. It’s Own then all UA/UAX TOC.
The only change is on UA metal and UAL exclusive metal. Neither of which the non exclusives have any say in.
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