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10-16-2019 | 04:36 AM
#51
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From: CRJ9 CA
Yes. Because it’s ****ing petty. Some people need to grow up a bit. There are level headed people working on a fair resolution and resisting the unwise urge to be reactive. When have you ever seen a temper tantrum come out well for anyone? They (not you) need to Grow up.
Just want to say thank you to the Mesa pilot group. Our new MEC update tonight informed us that you’re not taking any part in the JS denial games of the other 2 groups. Hopefully the details are worked out soon and you’re moved up a group as a non exclusive UAX provider on our flights.
10-16-2019 | 06:15 AM
#52
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Just want to say thank you to the Mesa pilot group. Our new MEC update tonight informed us that you’re not taking any part in the JS denial games of the other 2 groups. Hopefully the details are worked out soon and you’re moved up a group as a non exclusive UAX provider on our flights.
10-16-2019 | 07:48 AM
#54
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I don't count own metal. Everyone has own metal as #1.
Here's the "chart" that's been in play for over 7 years. That everyone negotiated and agreed to. And yes United pretty much forced a change from this agreed upon format to
Own Metal (Happy)
United (always)
Express (but only the special kids)
Everyone else
Here's the "chart" that's been in play for over 7 years. That everyone negotiated and agreed to. And yes United pretty much forced a change from this agreed upon format to
Own Metal (Happy)
United (always)
Express (but only the special kids)
Everyone else
10-16-2019 | 10:36 AM
#56
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I'm not sure what you are asking? How do I know he/she wasn't there? I don't know, that's why I asked. If that document was agreed to and negotiated by all those airlines, I'm guessing it would say so. It also says right on the document that it is for guidance. There are numerous reasons why that document is also obsolete. Chautauqua, Shuttle America, and Atlantic Southeast Airlines don't even exist anymore. Skywest INC no long owns Expresset.
Things change Mox.
Things change Mox.
10-16-2019 | 05:50 PM
#57
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Completely false.
Own metal always goes first. Geez where are guys coming up with this stuff.
On non exclusive it’s still TOC for everyone after that. The charts are everywhere. You guys need to take a step back and see what the agreement is before going off the rails.
UAX NON-EXCLUSIVE CARRIER JUMPSEAT ACCESS:
Priority on UAX Non-Exclusive Aircraft Jumpseat (GoJet)
1 - FAA, Government, or Approved United Personnel
Must Ride
2 - Operating Carrier Pilots
(e.g. GoJet Pilot on a GoJet flight)
Date of Hire
3 - Operating Carrier Dispatchers
Date of Hire
4 - UA and UAX Pilots
Time of Check-in
5 -UA and UAX Dispatchers
Time of Check-in
6 -Other Airline Pilots
Time of Check-in
7- Other Airline Dispatchers
Time of Check-in
8 - Other Airline Non - CASS Pilots
Time of Check-in
9 -FAA ATC
Time of Check-in
When Skywest RAH and Mesa sign they join GoJet in this chart.
Own metal always goes first. Geez where are guys coming up with this stuff.
On non exclusive it’s still TOC for everyone after that. The charts are everywhere. You guys need to take a step back and see what the agreement is before going off the rails.
UAX NON-EXCLUSIVE CARRIER JUMPSEAT ACCESS:
Priority on UAX Non-Exclusive Aircraft Jumpseat (GoJet)
1 - FAA, Government, or Approved United Personnel
Must Ride
2 - Operating Carrier Pilots
(e.g. GoJet Pilot on a GoJet flight)
Date of Hire
3 - Operating Carrier Dispatchers
Date of Hire
4 - UA and UAX Pilots
Time of Check-in
5 -UA and UAX Dispatchers
Time of Check-in
6 -Other Airline Pilots
Time of Check-in
7- Other Airline Dispatchers
Time of Check-in
8 - Other Airline Non - CASS Pilots
Time of Check-in
9 -FAA ATC
Time of Check-in
When Skywest RAH and Mesa sign they join GoJet in this chart.
I always thought JS agreements were what pilots wanted to give and receive in return for gifting, and ALPA says it's a privilege not a right. Also, how can #8 ride the JS?
Last edited by Happyflyer; 10-16-2019 at 06:00 PM.
10-16-2019 | 06:13 PM
#58
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Weren’t you one of the 2014/2015 hires at PSA? That new hires that went to fly new shiny jets for a concession? And you’re preaching about union unity? ALPA sold out the PSA pilots, and totally screwed over the Eagle ALPA pilots. Talk about a disgrace. Your ALPA dues haven’t fought for anything.
I think it's pertty clear they don't have SSP anymore because they purchased it with concessions, and it ran out.
Didn't Express Jet just sign a deal for 175's that strippped new hires of items in their contract?
10-16-2019 | 06:18 PM
#59
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From: CRJ FO
The FFD industry has many examples. The FFDs simply don’t have much leverage, even while times are good. Flying can be shifted etc...
10-17-2019 | 01:13 AM
#60
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From: Captain for Skyhawks
United updated the chart to align with the rest of the industry. Priority on our non exclusives hasn’t changed. It’s the same as it always was. All UA/UAX are time of check-in behind the operating airline.
The only change is on UA and UAX exclusive flights where united has joined what DAL and American do with their exclusive (WO).
So again what is all the pushback about? Nobody is asking for any change to RAH, Mesa or Skywest plane priorities. It’s Own then all UA/UAX TOC.
The only change is on UA metal and UAL exclusive metal. Neither of which the non exclusives have any say in.
The only change is on UA and UAX exclusive flights where united has joined what DAL and American do with their exclusive (WO).
So again what is all the pushback about? Nobody is asking for any change to RAH, Mesa or Skywest plane priorities. It’s Own then all UA/UAX TOC.
The only change is on UA metal and UAL exclusive metal. Neither of which the non exclusives have any say in.
I don’t know who’s telling you that this is “industry” standard because that’s not republics priority on American or delta. We have different agreements on each.
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