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12-08-2021, 02:10 PM
#1062
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Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 2,012
Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf
Agreed, but I’m not counting on things staying this way. The majors are hiring a ton in ‘22 but things will quickly go the other way as staffing needs are met. By ‘23 I believe 1000 PIC will again be the standard.
but… retirements are likely to keep the hiring machine humming for awhile
12-08-2021, 02:55 PM
#1063
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Joined APC: Sep 2017
Posts: 310
Originally Posted by BGL7566
It’s on purpose. He wants flight benefits when he retires.
cool guy; just was surprised to see that bid award.
12-08-2021, 05:07 PM
#1066
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Posts: 288
Originally Posted by DoSomePilotStuf
That’s near-sighted. The most jr upgrade has been consistently falling to the mid-800s on the seniority list. How long that person has been on property is currently confounded by the fact that hiring stopped for nearly 1.5 years. The real upgrade time for someone hired today will be however long it takes for them to reach the mid-800s, give or take. So however long it takes for 3-400 to leave and be replaced. At 17 classes per year there need to be 20-25 per class to bring on that many. At that point the upgrade is one year. That IS the math. There are some assumptions- that the same reasons people have bypassed upgrade in the past will not change going forward (mostly QOL for schedules, not wanting to go on reserve, etc.) and that the total number of pilots remains relatively stable, I.e. hiring is able to keep pace with attrition or flying doesn’t get lost resulting in another hiring freeze. As long as hiring and attrition are happening simultaneously the upgrade will drop to 1 year. That’s how it works. That’s how it’s always worked. A 1.5 year hiring freeze has you all confused.
12-08-2021, 05:10 PM
#1067
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Posts: 288
Originally Posted by pangolin
We are losing pilots with less than 5 years here to United via Aviate. It’s faster than any flow. At present.
12-08-2021, 05:32 PM
#1068
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Joined APC: Dec 2017
Position: Widget FO
Posts: 457
Leave as soon as you can. Spirit, Netjets, and corporate have been eating FO's on the CRJ left and right. Trying to guess the future upgrade times is pointless. No one knows. So much can happen to effect it.
12-08-2021, 06:18 PM
#1069
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Joined APC: Feb 2017
Posts: 336
Originally Posted by pangolin
But you are wrong. You are wrong because classes are full with a back log of applications. The company can hire just fine. They misjudged how many FO’s would leave on the crj side when their bonus contracts were up and there was no upgrade IN TYPE in sight. This is a temporary problem fixed by moving new hires to the crj. In 3 months this will be a memory.
that is not true. EVERY CLASS HAS NO SHOWS!
12-08-2021, 06:43 PM
#1070
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Joined APC: Jul 2021
Posts: 16
Originally Posted by MysteriousMrX
makes sense. Also figured he was seeing more growth over there and can make more $ as IOE Capt w/ most new hires and upgrades occurring on the 175.
cool guy; just was surprised to see that bid award.
cool guy; just was surprised to see that bid award.
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