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Old 10-30-2014, 06:37 PM
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Well I am not even 30 years old and I already have paid off all of my student loans and bought my house for cash after selling my share of a business a couple years ago. I am 2 months away from completing my MBA and it looks like I will be upgrading in under a year at PSA, I had some bad luck in the past but this career is a marathon and I still have over 35 years left to go. I am pretty happy with life at the moment, 18 days off next month. Jetblue and Spirit do not interest me, its AA or Delta and that is it. After almost a decade commuting I finally drive to work and I will never go back to a long term commute. If you are happy at Mesa that is great, it seems like an okay place to build time and get out. My only point was it is hypocritical to talk trash about PSA or PDT when you are wishing for and predicting more aircraft at Mesa, especially given their history over the past 10 years or so.
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Well I am not even 30 years old and I already have paid off all of my student loans and bought my house for cash after selling my share of a business a couple years ago. I am 2 months away from completing my MBA and it looks like I will be upgrading in under a year at PSA, I had some bad luck in the past but this career is a marathon and I still have over 35 years left to go. I am pretty happy with life at the moment, 18 days off next month. Jetblue and Spirit do not interest me, its AA or Delta and that is it. After almost a decade commuting I finally drive to work and I will never go back to a long term commute. If you are happy at Mesa that is great, it seems like an okay place to build time and get out. My only point was it is hypocritical to talk trash about PSA or PDT when you are wishing for and predicting more aircraft at Mesa, especially given their history over the past 10 years or so.
Where was I ever hoping for or predicting, please tell me.

I am just passing on what I have been told by our CP and Training Dept.

I worked at RAH and let's just say I'll light the match if someone else pours the gasoline. I don't want BB, WH or any of his cronies to get anymore flying.

A wholly owned (Eagle) said no to concessions and AAG turned to another one of their wholly owned airlines (PSA) and those guys said Yes, screwing Eagle. Whatever makes you guys sleep at night by justifying this is your own problem.

The fact that Mesa gets paid less than PSA isn't the point. It's the ramifications of PSA saying Yes after Eagle said no, taking away any negotiating leverage Eagle had.

I could care less if Mesa gets anymore flying my upgrade is secured here as a middle of the list 175 Captain with the flying we are already getting.
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Old 10-30-2014, 06:49 PM
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Well I am not even 30 years old and I already have paid off all of my student loans and bought my house for cash after selling my share of a business a couple years ago. I am 2 months away from completing my MBA and it looks like I will be upgrading in under a year at PSA, I had some bad luck in the past but this career is a marathon and I still have over 35 years left to go. I am pretty happy with life at the moment, 18 days off next month. Jetblue and Spirit do not interest me, its AA or Delta and that is it. After almost a decade commuting I finally drive to work and I will never go back to a long term commute. If you are happy at Mesa that is great, it seems like an okay place to build time and get out. My only point was it is hypocritical to talk trash about PSA or PDT when you are wishing for and predicting more aircraft at Mesa, especially given their history over the past 10 years or so.
Oh my, you just don't get it. You've made crap decisions and staying on this thread to argue them just tally's one more crap decision to your list. 3rd regional in, yet you're above it all. PSA threads just a couple clicks away.
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Old 10-30-2014, 07:02 PM
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Well that is where you are wrong, they had no leverage to kill despite what the average line pilot may think. If PSA said no for the third time the airplanes would have gone to Mesa or RAH or GoJets and it would have been PSA airplanes being transferred. Good luck on that "secure" future upgrade, hopefully Mesa doesn't lose another CPA before that happens.
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Old 10-30-2014, 07:02 PM
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Well I am not even 30 years old and I already have paid off all of my student loans and bought my house for cash after selling my share of a business a couple years ago. I am 2 months away from completing my MBA and it looks like I will be upgrading in under a year at PSA, I had some bad luck in the past but this career is a marathon and I still have over 35 years left to go. I am pretty happy with life at the moment, 18 days off next month. Jetblue and Spirit do not interest me, its AA or Delta and that is it. After almost a decade commuting I finally drive to work and I will never go back to a long term commute. If you are happy at Mesa that is great, it seems like an okay place to build time and get out. My only point was it is hypocritical to talk trash about PSA or PDT when you are wishing for and predicting more aircraft at Mesa, especially given their history over the past 10 years or so.
PSA? Really, trying to turn the blame for Eagles loss on us. No way, PSA took concessions directly under cutting Eagle for more flying. Our contract was written in 2008 and concessions were brought up in 2010. We gave management the middle finger on that one!
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Old 10-30-2014, 07:04 PM
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Well that is where you are wrong, they had no leverage to kill despite what the average line pilot may think. If PSA said no for the third time the airplanes would have gone to Mesa or RAH or GoJets and it would have been PSA airplanes being transfered. Good luck on that "secure" future upgrade, hopefully Mesa doesn't lose another CPA before that happens.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.

PSA thread is a couple clicks away, why don't ya hangout over there.
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Old 10-30-2014, 10:12 PM
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Well I am not even 30 years old and I already have paid off all of my student loans and bought my house for cash after selling my share of a business a couple years ago. I am 2 months away from completing my MBA and it looks like I will be upgrading in under a year at PSA, I had some bad luck in the past but this career is a marathon and I still have over 35 years left to go. I am pretty happy with life at the moment, 18 days off next month. Jetblue and Spirit do not interest me, its AA or Delta and that is it. After almost a decade commuting I finally drive to work and I will never go back to a long term commute. If you are happy at Mesa that is great, it seems like an okay place to build time and get out. My only point was it is hypocritical to talk trash about PSA or PDT when you are wishing for and predicting more aircraft at Mesa, especially given their history over the past 10 years or so.
Good luck working at AA. With your new contract and your low seniority. You might get that preferential flow through interview in seven years. Remember you have to wait your turn. With an average of 600 retiring each year over the next 7 years. That puts you on the back curve of the hiring boom. Delta would be your best bet. Good luck, sounds like you have had a rough road already.

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Old 10-31-2014, 04:01 AM
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Everything you said is 100% accurate, but don't demonize other pilot groups that try to compete against Mesa by having to take a haircut on their more expensive CBAs. That would be beyond hypocritical.
Awwwwww...someone's feelings are hurt b/c the big, bad Mesa pilots got some aeroplanes from mommy ;(

But seriously, we have a fraction of the pilots of Envoy and most other regionals with higher payrates.

We're operating under a bankruptcy contract, and a decent chunk of the new hires--esp those on the EJet side--are 121 refugees like myself and prior121, who have been way more screwed over by this industry than you can even imagine--even when you say you've been at "three different regionals with no turbine PIC" (awwwww).

Don't get your panties in a wad if Mesa gets a handful of E175s from AA--we've been flying for Parker since before most of us were done with high school, and, unlike PSA we have never knowingly and directly taken concessions to acquire airframes from another carrier.

Go find someone else to feel sorry for you--we didn't create your situation in life, and most of us have been through enough in our own careers that we don't really feel bad for whiners like you--go do something constructive like attend a job fair instead of wasting your time trolling the thread of an airline whose pilots have never done anything directly to inhibit your career progress (drops mic).

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Old 10-31-2014, 06:02 AM
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Don't get your panties in a wad if Mesa gets a handful of E175s from AA--we've been flying for Parker since before most of us were done with high school, and, unlike PSA we have never knowingly and directly taken concessions to acquire airframes from another carrier.
Furthermore, MAG pilots stood up to J.O. some 14 years ago when the CR7 arrived on the scene. MAG pilots said NO to $hit rates and J.O. started alter-ego Freedom to punish the MAG pilots.
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