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Old 07-04-2015 | 09:55 PM
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Even if there aren't more airplanes for a year or two, attrition should pick up during that time. These historically fast upgrades aren't sustainable, but I think Mesa's upgrades can still stay below the industry average.
Old 07-04-2015 | 10:13 PM
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Rut row. Good night sweet upgrade. $29/hr.

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Old 07-04-2015 | 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by RB211
Mesa is the cheapest, and our mainline partners use us like tools. We were brought into CLT for one reason only. To screw over PSA and force their hand in signing a concessionary contract. When they voted no, we got their flying. Second time, they voted yes, and we were no longer needed in CLT. Now we are in DFW to do the same exact thing to Envoy. We are the agents that facilitate the whipsaw. Everyone is mad at PSA, but we really gave them no choice. If they voted no again, Mesa wouldn't be in DFW today.
Mesa was the only 900 operator in North America for 6 years on an America West code share. When PSA voted in their first concessionary contract, the rumor was spread that Mesa undercut PSA for the 900 flying. Fact is, PSA never even bid on the America West flying. However, the rumor did get PSA to vote yes. Oh...Mesa has been flying out of CLT since 1994. They flew 38 jets out if CLT before PSA took their first CR2.
Old 07-04-2015 | 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by dfwflyboy
Haha that sounds awesome! But you're right. They really don't care about performance. I work for xjt. And supposedly we have great performance for all 3 carriers. What does that get us?? An "atta boy" and a "thanks for all you do"


I do admire mesa's FAs though
Wrong, worst three performing airlines (straight from DOT) in order,
Skywest, Xjet, Envoy. Envoy has been the bottom performer for 7 straight years.
Old 07-05-2015 | 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by CSD2000
Wrong, worst three performing airlines (straight from DOT) in order,
Skywest, Xjet, Envoy. Envoy has been the bottom performer for 7 straight years.
*sigh*. I have to school another kid. I wish you would actually look at the data you cite, man. DOT has 14 airlines that participate. Mesa isn't one of them. So yes Skywest xjt and envoy participate and compete with majors and LCCs. There are no other regionals involved. So you guys aren't even on the board.
Old 07-05-2015 | 01:11 PM
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Dude, give it a rest. AAG management knows what's happening at DFW, they know Envoy is responsible for the vast majority of Mesa's delays, and they are fixing the problem. We just had a meet-and-greet with Envoy's managers a week ago, I spoke with them myself and they fully understand the problems and the culture change that needs to happen on their side. Before I could even finish getting the phrase out of my mouth, one of their managers finished my sentence, admitting their rampers lack a sense of urgency--which is vital to this business.
Old 07-05-2015 | 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Blackwing
Dude, give it a rest. AAG management knows what's happening at DFW, they know Envoy is responsible for the vast majority of Mesa's delays, and they are fixing the problem. We just had a meet-and-greet with Envoy's managers a week ago, I spoke with them myself and they fully understand the problems and the culture change that needs to happen on their side. Before I could even finish getting the phrase out of my mouth, one of their managers finished my sentence, admitting their rampers lack a sense of urgency--which is vital to this business.
So it's all the envoy rampers fault. Ooookay. Those rampers that service envoy, Acey 200s, xjet145s, and Mesa. Somehow Mesa is the only poor wittle airline getting the short end of the stick? Nah. I'll certainly believe there is a little bit of an issue. I know the rampers are ****ed off they are tasked 2 at a time for all arrivals regardless of the fact that the 900 has a third more bags to deal with. Mesa has many more issues than just envoy rampers. I too have spoken to those in the know about this.
Old 07-05-2015 | 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
So it's all the envoy rampers fault. Ooookay. Those rampers that service envoy, Acey 200s, xjet145s, and Mesa. Somehow Mesa is the only poor wittle airline getting the short end of the stick? Nah. I'll certainly believe there is a little bit of an issue. I know the rampers are ****ed off they are tasked 2 at a time for all arrivals regardless of the fact that the 900 has a third more bags to deal with. Mesa has many more issues than just envoy rampers. I too have spoken to those in the know about this.
You are correct. It's 15% ramp 85% crew and MX
Old 07-05-2015 | 01:42 PM
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In other news I'm glad us EJET folks don't have to deal with AA/DFW.

Meanwhile everything is on-time or early in IAH......
Old 07-05-2015 | 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by prior121
In other news I'm glad us EJET folks don't have to deal with AA/DFW.

Meanwhile everything is on-time or early in IAH......

Got that right... Green across the board. IAH rampers are boss. Sucks they are starting that 2 year project on the new Term C North, but all is going well so far.
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