Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed

"Flying is a pleasure not a job." Are you effing serious?

So, like, it's ok to do it for free? To undercut men & women with mouths to feed and bills to pay? It's like GOLFING?

I know, I know, you have no idea what you're talking about b/c you're new to airline flying in the US. But the mindset you are expressing is EXACTLY why regionals are still taking concessions (and operating under 2010 bankruptcy payscales at Mesa), even whilst our legacy partners are making record profits (and rewarding their crews financially in turn).

Go to EagleJet in Florida--get out your checkbook--they'll find you a big shiny plane to go fly around for $20-30K USD--it's such a pleasure doing it, after all!!!

Originally Posted by RV5M

Probably for another thread, but this is something that really interests me. Are they really that incompetent at Eastern/Asian airlines? Truly unable to fly a visual, handle an emergency, etc?

Sometimes I find anecdotal evidence for this, or read things like your post, but not much is written about it. It kind of changes the argument that a piloted airliner is safer when this is the situation outside of the western world. Also makes me want to quit flying. What's the point in being competent anymore?

The Taiwan crash is a good example. If it turns out to be a simple engine failure, the pilots should have been able to handle the situation.

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Originally Posted by RB211

Guys, I think you are worrying a little too much about this. These guys will have to demonstrate during IOE that they are able to set the tone as the captain and make safe and competent decisions. When they do their FED ride, with the FAA or Hogan, they are looking to make sure the new Captain can do it. After they finish IOE, 100 hours later, they are getting a line check, 6 months later they are resetting the AQP clock and they go back to Phoenix for AQP. The new captains are receiving excellent training, and frequent training in their first 6 months doing it.
And on top of all of this, they already been doing it from the right seat for the past 1000 hours.
So like I said earlier, they need to set the tone, be the PIC, and make competent decisions, IF they want to pass IOE.
Do you honestly think Hogan would allow some one that is a danger to pass? Do you honestly think that Tallman doing a 100 hour line check down the road would allow an unsafe captain to continue? Do you honestly think one of the many AQP instructors would allow a captain who was incompetent to continue?
FO's are one thing, being a Captain is not a right, and can go away as quickly as you got it.

Originally Posted by RV5M

Probably for another thread, but this is something that really interests me. Are they really that incompetent at Eastern/Asian airlines? Truly unable to fly a visual, handle an emergency, etc?

Sometimes I find anecdotal evidence for this, or read things like your post, but not much is written about it. It kind of changes the argument that a piloted airliner is safer when this is the situation outside of the western world. Also makes me want to quit flying. What's the point in being competent anymore?

The Taiwan crash is a good example. If it turns out to be a simple engine failure, the pilots should have been able to handle the situation.

PM me if you want cherokee

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Originally Posted by FaceBiter

Hahahahaha. And that girl? She's the daughter of the owner of ATP Flight School. No joke. Tons of ELOHEL in that picture.

Originally Posted by PilotCrusader

Where is that taken from? Is it a made up meme thing or an actual Xjet recruiting poster? Doesn't ATP partner with Mesa? Pretty sure I had a a CFI I mentor say he was going to see a shiny new Mesa 175 at an ATP flight school last summer.