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02-01-2015 | 08:10 AM
#5981
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From: Full Nelson
We were awarded the flying for those jets, but we don't have the aircraft to operate yet. Once we find some 900s to buy we will be operating that additional lift for American. Obviously...if it takes us too long to find those planes, that flying will be awarded to someone else.
02-01-2015 | 12:05 PM
#5982
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So mesa still has the flying awarded, they're just looking for more 900 birds?
02-01-2015 | 12:27 PM
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New-hires are getting the 757/767 which does both domestic and international. Back in '07 we had some new-hires going to the 777. Right now, the 777 starting to hit the 10,600 number out of 12,500. 747 is in the mid 9,000's, and the 787 is around 10,200.
02-01-2015 | 12:35 PM
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Lol..FB you never disappoint. And I think the rest of you are missing the point. No one is talking about de-ice procedures and checklists specifically. It's all the other 'out of the norm' situations that happen in real time that one has to rely on experience to make the best decisions. Expecially when flying with a new FO. I thought it was common sense that one should gain adequate experience before moving over to the left seat. Apparently not. 1000 hours PIC in type is barely enough time. Doable for some...definitely not for others. And this is for all airlines....not just Mesa.
02-01-2015 | 12:49 PM
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I thought I was ready to upgrade when I had about 3-6 months on the line as an FO on my first jet like all these zero-to-hero folks on this thread. Then, after a 4AM showtime, I was shooting an ILS to mins in a -200, in a 27 knot crosswind in blowing snow, broke out, and kicked the crab out too early, right as we got hit with a decent gust/gain of airspeed. We floated upwards 10-20 feet and started moving laterally ever closer to the side of the runway. I made a "uhhhhhh" noise.
Smiling/laughing, my Captain said "my controls" and smoothly regained the centerline and put it down.
THAT is when you're ready to be a Captain--when you're not only "one with the airplane" but when you're also able to take the airplane from some FNG who has screwed it up royally, make a gut call to either fix it or go around, and avoid ending up in a ditch on the evening news--all in a matter of a few seconds (or less).
You're not at that level with only 500-1,000 hours of 121 SIC at Mesa. You probably are if you have previous 121, military, or 135 time--but if you just have 1,500 hours flight instructing in light GA planes--in easy weather--and 1,000 hours sitting shotgun on a 700/900--you have NO business in the left seat at all--you're a liability to me and my job (and yourself) and I don't want you there.
Smiling/laughing, my Captain said "my controls" and smoothly regained the centerline and put it down.
THAT is when you're ready to be a Captain--when you're not only "one with the airplane" but when you're also able to take the airplane from some FNG who has screwed it up royally, make a gut call to either fix it or go around, and avoid ending up in a ditch on the evening news--all in a matter of a few seconds (or less).
You're not at that level with only 500-1,000 hours of 121 SIC at Mesa. You probably are if you have previous 121, military, or 135 time--but if you just have 1,500 hours flight instructing in light GA planes--in easy weather--and 1,000 hours sitting shotgun on a 700/900--you have NO business in the left seat at all--you're a liability to me and my job (and yourself) and I don't want you there.
When I was hired at ASA in '00, as I alluded to earlier, we were hiring E120 street Captains, CRJ Captain was 16 months or less. 9/11 happened so that changed a lot. Most of those upgrading to CRJ Captain were doing so out of the right seat of a turbo-prop. The old E120 or ATR Captains were happy where they were. So our new CRJ skippers had about 1,000-1,500 hours bounc'in around the southeast at 15,000-20,000 feet, and now they're flying up and down the east coast, in to the midwest, and up to Canada in a swept back/super-critical winged CRJ. They did just fine.
It's simple...training won't fix stupid, and stupid should never get through training.
02-01-2015 | 12:56 PM
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Dude--we're not talking about you flying a 777 with years (probably decades) of experience. We're talking about people with 1,500 hours farting around in their dad's Cessna in VFR conditions taking command of jet after only 1 or 2 landings on contaminated runways or with crosswind components >15 knots.
I'm very, very sure you weren't ready to take command of that 777 with 1,500 hours in a Cessna and 12 months as a Mesa FO who doesn't even know what a "real" PC is like (b/c we've had AQP and that's all they've ever known).
I'm very, very sure you weren't ready to take command of that 777 with 1,500 hours in a Cessna and 12 months as a Mesa FO who doesn't even know what a "real" PC is like (b/c we've had AQP and that's all they've ever known).
02-01-2015 | 01:00 PM
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Nice try, when in doubt take a personal shot. But if you must know, after all you're the one that wants to make this personal, my wife has absolutely no desire to upgrade any time soon. Kind of the beauty of our situation.
02-01-2015 | 02:10 PM
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Hi everybody, How much should I expect to make at Mesa per month during the second year after taxes ? appreciate
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