Originally Posted by FaceBiten

Notice how major airlines care more about you having a college degree than how good of a stick you are? PTS standards is just fine. No chuck yeager skill required. Good sticks do things like crop dust, perform at air shows, kill bad guys from the air, etc. Good airline pilots know about their airplane, operations, and regulations, fly within PTS standards, and respond to emergencies and other crisis management stuff airline pilots are trained to do...and they are generally regarded as professional. I've never seen "good stick" anywhere on an airline pilot job requirement other than flying to pts standards. But I do see professionalism as a requirement, and the ability to read speak and write in the English language.

Also, no one said milehigh, or Yeager, was a crap pilot. Quit making crap up.

Originally Posted by RB211

Now, I am not calling you out, and what I am about to say is painted with a very broad stroke that does not cover every pilot.

The elitist snobs who are constantly judging others are the very LEAST desirable people to have in the cockpit. You're not special, what you do every day for a career is one of the easiest jobs you could possibly have. You do not take work home with you, all you do is show up at the gate and do your job. You're not a doctor, your not an engineer, the biggest accomplishment in your life is that you made it as far as you have in this industry without going bankrupt or getting divorced.

If it wasn't for the government stepping in, you would be replaced by a 250 hour pilot who would do your job for free. You want to be an elitist snob? Why don't you do something significant in life that requires you to evolve cognitively? Go become an engineer, or software programmer, where every project forces you to evolve by a few magnitudes in terms of what you know?
Most pilots have absolutely no marketable skills outside of aviation, if you were to lose your aviation career, you can go take your elitism bull**** with you to truck driver school, or In and Out while you flip burgers. It's no different at mainline, where their biggest accomplishment was that they were hired by a major.
Yes, in reality, the elitist snobs are the LEAST desirable person to have working at a company, let alone sitting in the cockpit. I'll take a redneck from the Louisiana Bayou, even if I can't understand half of what they say, THEY are the most desirable to have sitting next to me.

Originally Posted by FaceBiten

Notice how major airlines care more about you having a college degree than how good of a stick you are? PTS standards is just fine. No chuck yeager skill required. Good sticks do things like crop dust, perform at air shows, kill bad guys from the air, etc. Good airline pilots know about their airplane, operations, and regulations, fly within PTS standards, and respond to emergencies and other crisis management stuff airline pilots are trained to do...and they are generally regarded as professional. I've never seen "good stick" anywhere on an airline pilot job requirement other than flying to pts standards. But I do see professionalism as a requirement, and the ability to read speak and write in the English language.

Also, no one said milehigh, or Yeager, was a crap pilot. Quit making crap up.

Originally Posted by RB211

Now, I am not calling you out, and what I am about to say is painted with a very broad stroke that does not cover every pilot.

The elitist snobs who are constantly judging others are the very LEAST desirable people to have in the cockpit. You're not special, what you do every day for a career is one of the easiest jobs you could possibly have. You do not take work home with you, all you do is show up at the gate and do your job. You're not a doctor, your not an engineer, the biggest accomplishment in your life is that you made it as far as you have in this industry without going bankrupt or getting divorced.

If it wasn't for the government stepping in, you would be replaced by a 250 hour pilot who would do your job for free. You want to be an elitist snob? Why don't you do something significant in life that requires you to evolve cognitively? Go become an engineer, or software programmer, where every project forces you to evolve by a few magnitudes in terms of what you know?
Most pilots have absolutely no marketable skills outside of aviation, if you were to lose your aviation career, you can go take your elitism bull**** with you to truck driver school, or In and Out while you flip burgers. It's no different at mainline, where their biggest accomplishment was that they were hired by a major.
Yes, in reality, the elitist snobs are the LEAST desirable person to have working at a company, let alone sitting in the cockpit. I'll take a redneck from the Louisiana Bayou, even if I can't understand half of what they say, THEY are the most desirable to have sitting next to me.

Originally Posted by skillett

I think this reply is geared toward someone else. I'm not insulting anyone. Simply backing up someone getting bullied for a few mis-spells.

Originally Posted by inverted pilot

Hello Mesa guys and whoever else is reading this lively thread. I want to get some insight from you all about my situation. I'm previous 121 FO, coming back to the industry. I'm weighing Mesa vs Piedmont... weird comparison maybe but both interesting options for different reasons. Mesa of course has growth and lots of new large planes with a fairly secure near term future and quick upgrades. However, Piedmont has genuine straight flow-thru to American and only 400 pilots currently on property- I could expect to be at AA in 4 to 6 years. Also Piedmont is $28/hr first year plus a 5k bonus and upgrade times are 3 years and dropping. Piedmont does have some uncertainty in the lifespan of the dash 8's and the "recycled" 145's they are getting from Envoy. Would you all risk the dated and small capacity fleet at Piedmont for the flow, or go for the big rj's at mesa with no flow? Also, I do not have a college degree, so I'm worried that without a flow program I may have a more difficult time getting hired by a major on my own. Basing is no concern for me, I will move to my base at either. Thanks for any thoughts you guys might have.

Originally Posted by ScottyDo

Well this became a drama fest real fast.