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06-07-2015 | 06:08 AM
#8591
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jun 2007
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From: East coast
You stay classy PSA. Nah life is good at Mesa, EJETs and quick upgrades, and not at the cost of specifically taking concessions and slapping another pilot group in the face.
Fact: I promise you MAG pilots WOULD NEVER take concessions to steal aircraft from another carrier. Ever.
And you were awarded all that AA 900 and E-jet flying because you have such a high cost, well paying pilot contract, right?
06-07-2015 | 06:22 AM
#8592
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Joined: Oct 2013
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Release #02.75
August 27, 2002
ALPA Pledges $2 Million to Mesa Airlines Pilots to Fund Efforts to Secure a Fair Labor ContractAugust 27, 2002
ALPA Pledges $2 Million to Mesa Airlines Pilots to Fund Efforts to Secure a Fair Labor Contract
Do you remember/know what happened? Instead of going on strike, Mesa signed a concessionary contract in 2003 and got most, or all, of the RJs that Piedmont and Allegheny worked to get scope relief for from USAir. Now you might not call that "stealing" but the Mesa pilot group knew what they would get by approving a concessionary contract when they could have held out for better or gone on strike.
06-07-2015 | 06:32 AM
#8593
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Perhaps not, but they sure jumped at the opportunity to work for a certain alter-ego airline named Freedom Air. Speaks volumes for the integrity of that group of MAG pilots.
And you were awarded all that AA 900 and E-jet flying because you have such a high cost, well paying pilot contract, right?
And you were awarded all that AA 900 and E-jet flying because you have such a high cost, well paying pilot contract, right?
06-07-2015 | 07:13 AM
#8594
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Joined: Nov 2014
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Those exaggerated, sometimes even fraudulent, threadsare started by Envoy pilots trying to throw a wrench in PSA's growth. Fortunately, they are unsuccessful.
All the information you gave is exaggerated or wrong. The start to finish time frame was 4-5 months, and it will drop very soon since they are stopping FO hiring for a few weeks to catch up. Instead, they will increase the upgrades since we need captains. The poor pass rate was a year ago, in two classes. That problem was fixed. The union wanting envoy pilots to come here? That is completely wrong. Go do your research. Can't fly visual approach? Don't believe everything you read on APC. Lack of professionalism?? ***?
But here's a fact for you: all of the students that we had at the school house that were passed from one instructor to another, are now at Mesa. These were the students that no one wanted. Luckily for you guys, I know a few good guys that went to Mesa as well, not many though.
All the information you gave is exaggerated or wrong. The start to finish time frame was 4-5 months, and it will drop very soon since they are stopping FO hiring for a few weeks to catch up. Instead, they will increase the upgrades since we need captains. The poor pass rate was a year ago, in two classes. That problem was fixed. The union wanting envoy pilots to come here? That is completely wrong. Go do your research. Can't fly visual approach? Don't believe everything you read on APC. Lack of professionalism?? ***?
But here's a fact for you: all of the students that we had at the school house that were passed from one instructor to another, are now at Mesa. These were the students that no one wanted. Luckily for you guys, I know a few good guys that went to Mesa as well, not many though.
06-07-2015 | 07:27 AM
#8595
On Reserve
Joined: Jan 2015
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Our quickest upgrade was around 8 months for someone who had previous 121 time. I don't know if it'll get that low again, but certainly any future awarded flying (or lack thereof) will affect this. I'd imagine you're looking at 12-24 months. But nothing is certain in this industry.[/QUOTE]
Is this really the upgrade time to expect? I was told a vastly different number.
Is this really the upgrade time to expect? I was told a vastly different number.
06-07-2015 | 07:31 AM
#8596
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 455
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Release #02.75
August 27, 2002
ALPA Pledges $2 Million to Mesa Airlines Pilots to Fund Efforts to Secure a Fair Labor ContractAugust 27, 2002
ALPA Pledges $2 Million to Mesa Airlines Pilots to Fund Efforts to Secure a Fair Labor Contract
Do you remember/know what happened? Instead of going on strike, Mesa signed a concessionary contract in 2003 and got most, or all, of the RJs that Piedmont and Allegheny worked to get scope relief for from USAir. Now you might not call that "stealing" but the Mesa pilot group knew what they would get by approving a concessionary contract when they could have held out for better or gone on strike.
06-07-2015 | 08:53 AM
#8597
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 1,539
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From: 175 Left
Release #02.75
August 27, 2002
ALPA Pledges $2 Million to Mesa Airlines Pilots to Fund Efforts to Secure a Fair Labor ContractAugust 27, 2002
ALPA Pledges $2 Million to Mesa Airlines Pilots to Fund Efforts to Secure a Fair Labor Contract
Do you remember/know what happened? Instead of going on strike, Mesa signed a concessionary contract in 2003 and got most, or all, of the RJs that Piedmont and Allegheny worked to get scope relief for from USAir. Now you might not call that "stealing" but the Mesa pilot group knew what they would get by approving a concessionary contract when they could have held out for better or gone on strike.
Of the 1200 pilots on the senority list, I would got to say 200 were actually here during that time.
2002 was not a year of mass hiring and record profits of the majors - as it was when PSA took concessions - but rather a time as shelled shocked from 9/11 airlines began furloughing and were soon to enter bankruptcy.
Apples to Oranges.
06-07-2015 | 11:13 AM
#8599
Chief Engineer
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 815
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From: CRJ FO
Is FTWeb for DFW still down or am I just doing something wrong on the login?
06-07-2015 | 11:40 AM
#8600
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 273
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From: CRJ
You can pull up any other city. It's not a login issue. I'm not sure, but my guess is the page is too big to load properly. If you know where your plane is coming from, just go to that city and get your info that way.
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