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Old 09-02-2015 | 08:20 AM
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When does this TA go out to vote?
Old 09-02-2015 | 08:25 AM
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Vote is scheduled to start Sept 18 I think.
Old 09-02-2015 | 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Xdashdriver
Vote is scheduled to start Sept 18 I think.
Thank you!!
Old 09-02-2015 | 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Wilson03
When does this TA go out to vote?
I'm just hoping the no vote percentage is donkey-punch level--we need to go way beyond slap-on-the-hand percentages.
Old 09-02-2015 | 02:36 PM
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Up until this point, growth was helping Mesa fill classes.

Growth requires new pilots. Attracting new pilots, requires a competitive salary (bare minimum of $40+/hour) and a competive contract. Upgrades are coming down everywhere and some regionals are even hiring direct entry captains. It will take a new hire at least a year and a half to get the 1000 hours required to upgrade, and by that time you'd be eligible to upgrade or nearly eligible to upgrade almost anywhere in a couple years from now. Things will be moving very quickly everywhere due to mainline hiring. So, bottom line, the "upgrade carrot" will not work anymore. At least it won't work for the more informed newcomer.

So, if Mesa wants to grow, or even attract enough pilots to stay status quo with upcoming attrition, they will have to offer competitive salaries and a competitive contract, just like everyone else.

An uncompetitive TA like the one offered, can be the end of Mesa. For an airline to survive in today's environment you have to be able to attract AND retain, BOTH Captains and FO's. It takes both to fly the plane.

You can't fly planes without pilots. It's that simple.
Old 09-02-2015 | 02:41 PM
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Maybe its just me, but is anyone else concerned about the lack of definitions in section 2? On top of everything else that is wrong with this contact, 45 definitions seems really low to me. Shouldn't we try to get everything we can defined? I heard the Republic TA, for as bad as it was, had a couple hundred definitions. There isn't even a definition for junior assignment in our TA.
Old 09-02-2015 | 08:29 PM
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Any news on what's happening at the training department? How big are the training classes recently?
Old 09-02-2015 | 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Skyler02
Up until this point, growth was helping Mesa fill classes.

Growth requires new pilots. Attracting new pilots, requires a competitive salary (bare minimum of $40+/hour) and a competive contract. Upgrades are coming down everywhere and some regionals are even hiring direct entry captains. It will take a new hire at least a year and a half to get the 1000 hours required to upgrade, and by that time you'd be eligible to upgrade or nearly eligible to upgrade almost anywhere in a couple years from now. Things will be moving very quickly everywhere due to mainline hiring. So, bottom line, the "upgrade carrot" will not work anymore. At least it won't work for the more informed newcomer.

So, if Mesa wants to grow, or even attract enough pilots to stay status quo with upcoming attrition, they will have to offer competitive salaries and a competitive contract, just like everyone else.

An uncompetitive TA like the one offered, can be the end of Mesa. For an airline to survive in today's environment you have to be able to attract AND retain, BOTH Captains and FO's. It takes both to fly the plane.

You can't fly planes without pilots. It's that simple.
Cue hiring bonuses and/or announcement of more EJETS to fill classes for the next 8-12 months. Management still has plenty of tricks in their hat that they have yet to use....
Old 09-03-2015 | 12:15 AM
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To those of you new to the industry, this is what you typically see with most "real" ALPA chapters when your MEC says "we secured improvements in all sections and unanimously voted to send this TA to a vote":

"The Trans States MEC kicked off a series of road shows this week to discuss the details of the contract-extension LOA reached with management in August. The tentative agreement provides TSA pilots with the second-best 50-seat pay rate in the industry for both captains and first officers starting in 2016. The three-year deal also secures cost-of-living adjustments, 401(k) improvements, large reductions in capped insurance premiums, and a signing bonus, among other gains."
Old 09-03-2015 | 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by tinman1
First impressions........
And contrary to popular opinion, the "FNGs" aren't the ones you have to worry about voting yes en mass on this horrid piece of work. It's the older crowd, the guys/gals who have been here for 20+ years and can't leave, who will try to push this POS through. Any newer FO could bail and not be any worse off working anywhere else in this industry.
THIS!!!!

The senior ****s here are going to sell us down the River.

There are approximately 350 to 400 pilots here who can't even vote on this travesty.

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