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09-11-2015, 05:22 PM
#1101
Living the Dream
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That TA pay calculator is online. The numbers are just as underwhelming as when we calculated them ourselves.
09-11-2015, 05:41 PM
#1102
Chief Engineer
Joined APC: Aug 2014
Position: CRJ FO
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Originally Posted by deltajuliet
That TA pay calculator is online. The numbers are just as underwhelming as when we calculated them ourselves.
09-11-2015, 06:21 PM
#1103
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Joined APC: Feb 2015
Posts: 580
Originally Posted by deltajuliet
That TA pay calculator is online. The numbers are just as underwhelming as when we calculated them ourselves.
Per diem: a daily allowance, usually for living expenses while traveling in connection with one's work or being employed at a distance from one's home.
09-12-2015, 07:51 AM
#1104
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Forgive me if this has been asked: Has a date been set to vote on the TA?
09-12-2015, 08:11 AM
#1105
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No worries sulk, it's set for September 21 to October 2 on the ALPA website.
Good point. Where did you find the $1.91 stat? Or is that the airline average?
Originally Posted by Duct Mon
And remember. You should not calculate or use your per diem as a wage for working or as income. That is total BS on the unions part to even calculate that into your increase in "pay". The national average is $1.91.
09-12-2015, 08:26 AM
#1106
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
Position: Desk
Posts: 235
Originally Posted by deltajuliet
Another idea would be to just boost everyone's hourly rate by $2.50 - that's what 14.7 million over 5 years would get everyone. Or $2.00 and use the rest for other improvements. That said, I think that's still woefully underpaid and still wouldn't vote for that. Also, am I the only one that thinks Captains should all get paid the highest 900 rate for all equipment? If a guy flies out of Dulles, the job isn't any different than if he flies out of Texas or Arizona.
The pilot shortage alone will give all regional pilots substantially more leverage in the next few years. Look at the fundamental difference in management philosophy between Mesa and SkyWest. JO kept first year FO rates right where they were. SkyWest put the bulk of their new contract in first year rates, even adding a clause allowing management to increase it to $36.50 if they had trouble recruiting. What a contrast. SkyWest understands they'll have difficulty recruiting over the next couple years and the pilots will gain significantly more leverage. JO has been insulated from that thought process because he's been able to fill classes. What happens when he can't?
One other idea: regional unions shouldn't publicize how low their pay rates are relative to Horizon or SkyWest during negotiations. We should advertise to the public and Congress that we make 20-30% as much as the same position at United/Delta/American.
The pilot shortage alone will give all regional pilots substantially more leverage in the next few years. Look at the fundamental difference in management philosophy between Mesa and SkyWest. JO kept first year FO rates right where they were. SkyWest put the bulk of their new contract in first year rates, even adding a clause allowing management to increase it to $36.50 if they had trouble recruiting. What a contrast. SkyWest understands they'll have difficulty recruiting over the next couple years and the pilots will gain significantly more leverage. JO has been insulated from that thought process because he's been able to fill classes. What happens when he can't?
One other idea: regional unions shouldn't publicize how low their pay rates are relative to Horizon or SkyWest during negotiations. We should advertise to the public and Congress that we make 20-30% as much as the same position at United/Delta/American.
09-12-2015, 08:32 AM
#1107
Covfefe
Joined APC: Jun 2015
Posts: 3,001
Originally Posted by deltajuliet
No worries sulk, it's set for September 21 to October 2 on the ALPA website.
Good point. Where did you find the $1.91 stat? Or is that the airline average?
Good point. Where did you find the $1.91 stat? Or is that the airline average?
https://www.federalpay.org/perdiem/2015 $46 is the general amount nonspecific to zip code. $46/24=1.91
Note that for FY16 (starting Oct 1st) the standard rate is $51 a day, or $2.13 an hour.
FY 2016 Per Diem Highlights
We aren't federal employees of course, but we are getting 25% less than what the government decided a fair per diem amount is.
Someone needs to take that MAG ALPA pay calculator and compare our TA to other regionals. I bet even more people would bail when they see the monetary difference. Especially ones who won't upgrade anytime soon, which is most FOs on property now.
09-12-2015, 08:38 AM
#1108
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Originally Posted by deltajuliet
No worries sulk, it's set for September 21 to October 2 on the ALPA website.
09-12-2015, 08:46 AM
#1109
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Joined APC: Dec 2013
Posts: 1,602
Originally Posted by Concorde001
What? JO is still able to fill classes these days? His quick upgrade carrot is still working? What is the size of your classes these day? I don't see a quick upgrade for people joining now unless you guys have more flying on the way.
09-12-2015, 08:57 AM
#1110
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Posts: 394
Originally Posted by ScottyDo
And it definitely shows for the month of August. Our performance numbers are way up. MX has been better too, even had a better CCF than Envoy.
Side note, I noticed since you guys started doing DFW-PHX, the performance has been better. Are they using this route to do mx swaps on the aircraft? Any word on progress of a mx base at DFW?
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