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09-06-2015 | 09:04 AM
#1071
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I don't understand how there is language to allow capts to displace other capts. I can't see anyone on the Ejet voting for this. Every year most of the capts would be losing relative seniority and could be displaced to CRJ. Only people this benifits is the highest paid group the 1%.
09-06-2015 | 09:19 AM
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You all fail to realize that the new TA purposely gives very little to new hires. It is a strategic move. You are all correct, JO has already stated to the union that he "will do what ever it takes" to keep our classes full, and our hiring going. I am not worried about it. Now wouldn't it be a bummer if we turn this TA down, and he takes that 15 million and only gives it to the new guys as forms of bonuses? That is exactly what he will do if classes start to dry up. I'd rather lock that money in for the more senior guys, and let JO find the money for the new guys when he needs to.
I don't know what the future holds, but failing to learn from Envoy's horribly miscalculated emotional based decisions is incredibly stupid, and the people who sign their paychecks actually have gobs of money. This isn't rocket science.
I don't know what the future holds, but failing to learn from Envoy's horribly miscalculated emotional based decisions is incredibly stupid, and the people who sign their paychecks actually have gobs of money. This isn't rocket science.
09-06-2015 | 09:51 AM
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You all fail to realize that the new TA purposely gives very little to new hires. It is a strategic move. You are all correct, JO has already stated to the union that he "will do what ever it takes" to keep our classes full, and our hiring going. I am not worried about it. Now wouldn't it be a bummer if we turn this TA down, and he takes that 15 million and only gives it to the new guys as forms of bonuses? That is exactly what he will do if classes start to dry up. I'd rather lock that money in for the more senior guys, and let JO find the money for the new guys when he needs to.
I don't know what the future holds, but failing to learn from Envoy's horribly miscalculated emotional based decisions is incredibly stupid, and the people who sign their paychecks actually have gobs of money. This isn't rocket science.
I don't know what the future holds, but failing to learn from Envoy's horribly miscalculated emotional based decisions is incredibly stupid, and the people who sign their paychecks actually have gobs of money. This isn't rocket science.
Well Envoy received new airplanes, and flow from American. Not to mention their TA still puts Mesa to shame. Work rules and compensation. So was it a horrible decision?
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09-06-2015 | 10:13 AM
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Their first offer was much better that didn't include 700's going to PSA.
09-06-2015 | 10:19 AM
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More food for thought. The pilot group only gets $14.7 million over the next 5 years. A CRJ900 costs $39 million, and JO just bought how many?
09-06-2015 | 10:21 AM
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Mesa is not in the same situation as Eagle. Of course, they don't have money for a better contract. In the future, they need to learn to make money so that their employees can keep up with the rest. If they cannot, they should close the doors. The only people that disagree with me are people that have spent 15+ years slaving away and are too afraid to make a jump or one that doesn't make sense now.
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09-06-2015 | 10:25 AM
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Now, they did just spend 500,000$ getting Casper the friendly 200 flying again, and had budgeted 1 million originally for that.
Rumor is, there are more 900's coming our way if JO can convince the lenders.
09-06-2015 | 10:37 AM
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Mesa is not in the same situation as Eagle. Of course, they don't have money for a better contract. In the future, they need to learn to make money so that their employees can keep up with the rest. If they cannot, they should close the doors. The only people that disagree with me are people that have spent 15+ years slaving away and are too afraid to make a jump or one that doesn't make sense now.
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The truth to the matter is, as a CA at Mesa, my QOL has NEVER been as good as it is now, and it provides everything I need for my family, except for decent health care... Thats the one thing that truly stings my family.
We can vote no all we want, we are not going to get decent health care without a major disruption, and only if it is clear that disruption was caused by our lack of decent health care.
09-06-2015 | 10:49 AM
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Another idea would be to just boost everyone's hourly rate by $2.50 - that's what 14.7 million over 5 years would get everyone. Or $2.00 and use the rest for other improvements. That said, I think that's still woefully underpaid and still wouldn't vote for that. Also, am I the only one that thinks Captains should all get paid the highest 900 rate for all equipment? If a guy flies out of Dulles, the job isn't any different than if he flies out of Texas or Arizona.
The pilot shortage alone will give all regional pilots substantially more leverage in the next few years. Look at the fundamental difference in management philosophy between Mesa and SkyWest. JO kept first year FO rates right where they were. SkyWest put the bulk of their new contract in first year rates, even adding a clause allowing management to increase it to $36.50 if they had trouble recruiting. What a contrast. SkyWest understands they'll have difficulty recruiting over the next couple years and the pilots will gain significantly more leverage. JO has been insulated from that thought process because he's been able to fill classes. What happens when he can't?
One other idea: regional unions shouldn't publicize how low their pay rates are relative to Horizon or SkyWest during negotiations. We should advertise to the public and Congress that we make 20-30% as much as the same position at United/Delta/American.
The pilot shortage alone will give all regional pilots substantially more leverage in the next few years. Look at the fundamental difference in management philosophy between Mesa and SkyWest. JO kept first year FO rates right where they were. SkyWest put the bulk of their new contract in first year rates, even adding a clause allowing management to increase it to $36.50 if they had trouble recruiting. What a contrast. SkyWest understands they'll have difficulty recruiting over the next couple years and the pilots will gain significantly more leverage. JO has been insulated from that thought process because he's been able to fill classes. What happens when he can't?
One other idea: regional unions shouldn't publicize how low their pay rates are relative to Horizon or SkyWest during negotiations. We should advertise to the public and Congress that we make 20-30% as much as the same position at United/Delta/American.
Voting no isn't going to accelerate our getting paid any better. The only thing that will increase our pay will be not getting enough people in the door. Only once that happens will the company have ANY incentive to start fixing the problem.
The company is not prohibited from coming back to the table to negotiate higher pay rates during the term of the contract. That's what LOA's are all about. A lot of the TA is actually LOA language we've been living under since 2012 that is now being put into the main body of the contract.
Lastly, you want higher pay rates in lieu of quality of life improvements. Apparently when the union surveyed the pilot group a few years ago, the overall feeling was to focus on quality of life improvements at the time, so that's what they negotiated.
09-06-2015 | 10:54 AM
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Mesa is not in the same situation as Eagle. Of course, they don't have money for a better contract. In the future, they need to learn to make money so that their employees can keep up with the rest. If they cannot, they should close the doors. The only people that disagree with me are people that have spent 15+ years slaving away and are too afraid to make a jump or one that doesn't make sense now.
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