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Old 12-03-2015, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed View Post
All I know is 2016 is going to be an interesting year here at Mesa.

How are we going to cover both attrition and growth simultaneously going forward, with no flow, preferential hiring, bonuses, or an industry average contract?

No idea--and I guess that's not my problem.
Popcorn at the ready. I'm excited.
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Old 12-03-2015, 06:00 PM
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I'm glad that we are discussing how much of a joke our pay is because it is just down right sad. Yet I still remember how some people on here were all gung ho about the recommendation bonuses which I still believe is going to make the problem worse with no leverage for the pilot group. People not coming in the door is what we need. RAH had problems with staffing now look at the contract they have. Food for thought.
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Old 12-03-2015, 06:04 PM
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Doesn't sound like RAH can pay for the contract they signed and they are shrinking. Not sure they're a good example.
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Old 12-03-2015, 06:09 PM
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I'm currently on reserve.
Last paycheck was barely over $500. *BARELY*
That is atrocious. I fly a $30,000,000 jet with roughly 75'people's lives in the balance. Ive worked my ass off to get here.

JO- **** you. Applications are going to be sent everywhere possible.
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Old 12-03-2015, 06:31 PM
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Doesn't sound like RAH can pay for the contract they signed and they are shrinking. Not sure they're a good example.
How are they shrinking with people piling in the door for an actually decent wage? We will have to see where things go and if mainline will let them fail or up the percentage of the money they receive from revenue flights. I would rather be at a company going down because it pays its pilots what it should versus one that goes down because it pays them too little and cant get bodies in the door.
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Old 12-03-2015, 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr Rumbold View Post
I'm currently on reserve.
Last paycheck was barely over $500. *BARELY*
That is atrocious. I fly a $30,000,000 jet with roughly 75'people's lives in the balance. Ive worked my ass off to get here.

JO- **** you. Applications are going to be sent everywhere possible.
Are you kidding me? You're a joke! You knew what the pay was when you signed up. Nothing was hidden from you. Grow a pair of balls and stick it out or just quit. Your constant whining has become quite boring.
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Old 12-03-2015, 06:44 PM
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Are you kidding me? You're a joke! You knew what the pay was when you signed up. Nothing was hidden from you. Grow a pair of balls and stick it out or just quit. Your constant whining has become quite boring.
I will say this in his defense. Yes people know what they signed up for but for most guys (with the exception of those in class right now), Mesa's pay wasn't that far behind everyone else back then. But things have changed and now Mesa is extremely far behind.
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Old 12-03-2015, 07:25 PM
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How are they shrinking with people piling in the door for an actually decent wage? We will have to see where things go and if mainline will let them fail or up the percentage of the money they receive from revenue flights. I would rather be at a company going down because it pays its pilots what it should versus one that goes down because it pays them too little and cant get bodies in the door.
An excerpt from one of the company emails we received recently:

[I]By Edward Russell
Republic Airways has reached a tentative agreement with its mainline partners to cancel commitments for 24 Embraer 175 aircraft, says chief executive Bryan Bedford.
The move is the result of protracted labour negotiations with the Indianapolis-based regional carrier’s pilots, which came to a head in July when the International Brotherhood of Teamsters (IBT) filed suit against the carrier. Since then, it has faced a net deficit of about 40 pilots per month as far more cockpit crewmembers left the airline than could be recruited.
“We’re in a position where our franchise has been badly damaged and, despite all of our best efforts, it won’t be fully healed quickly,” says Bedford during an earnings call today. “ expect the future size of our operation will be smaller than where we are today.”
Pilots at Republic ratified a new three-year contract in October, however, staffing levels are not expected to return to normal for some months.
Republic had outstanding orders for 55 E175s at the end of September, including six for American Airlines with deliveries through the first quarter of 2016 and 49 for United Airlines with deliveries through the third quarter of 2017.
Bedford and other executives say the most acute impact from the pilot deficit will be felt in the fourth quarter and first quarter of 2016 but decline to provide further details on the commitments.
Five of the E175s are likely the aircraft that United said in October that it would shift to Mesa Airlines from an unnamed partner.
American and United should find it easy to place the remaining 19 E175s with other regional operators, including E-Jet operators Compass Airlines, Mesa and SkyWest Airlines.
In addition to the E175 cancellations, Republic is also speeding up the removal of its Bombardier Q400 fleet by about six months and will make temporary E-Jet flying reductions with two of its partner carriers through first quarter of 2016, says Bedford.
Further fleet and schedule changes may be necessary, he adds.
“Growth is not going to be our focus going into 2016,” says Bedford.
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Old 12-03-2015, 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Xdashdriver View Post
An excerpt from one of the company emails we received recently:

[I]By Edward Russell
Republic Airways has reached a tentative agreement with its mainline partners to cancel commitments for 24 Embraer 175 aircraft, says chief executive Bryan Bedford.
The move is the result of protracted labour negotiations with the Indianapolis-based regional carrier’s pilots, which came to a head in July when the International Brotherhood of Teamsters (IBT) filed suit against the carrier. Since then, it has faced a net deficit of about 40 pilots per month as far more cockpit crewmembers left the airline than could be recruited.
“We’re in a position where our franchise has been badly damaged and, despite all of our best efforts, it won’t be fully healed quickly,” says Bedford during an earnings call today. “ expect the future size of our operation will be smaller than where we are today.”
Pilots at Republic ratified a new three-year contract in October, however, staffing levels are not expected to return to normal for some months.
Republic had outstanding orders for 55 E175s at the end of September, including six for American Airlines with deliveries through the first quarter of 2016 and 49 for United Airlines with deliveries through the third quarter of 2017.
Bedford and other executives say the most acute impact from the pilot deficit will be felt in the fourth quarter and first quarter of 2016 but decline to provide further details on the commitments.
Five of the E175s are likely the aircraft that United said in October that it would shift to Mesa Airlines from an unnamed partner.
American and United should find it easy to place the remaining 19 E175s with other regional operators, including E-Jet operators Compass Airlines, Mesa and SkyWest Airlines.
In addition to the E175 cancellations, Republic is also speeding up the removal of its Bombardier Q400 fleet by about six months and will make temporary E-Jet flying reductions with two of its partner carriers through first quarter of 2016, says Bedford.
Further fleet and schedule changes may be necessary, he adds.
“Growth is not going to be our focus going into 2016,” says Bedford.
Definitely missed that article, thanks for sharing. I just don't see how they could possibly be loosing pilots if the pay is now industry leading.
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Old 12-03-2015, 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by ScottyDo View Post
Definitely missed that article, thanks for sharing. I just don't see how they could possibly be loosing pilots if the pay is now industry leading.
Reputations are a terrible thing to overcome. People still think that Mesa has you sleep on the airplane, and crew track tries to cancel your wedding plans. Truth be told, all of us who work at Mesa for the past few years may have found that the company leaves you alone and makes for a very chill environment. Everyone* who has gone through the training department has commented how warm and inviting it is, and how no one is out to get anyone. Really, truth be told, Mesa is not horrible to us, just the compensation and benefits are a disgrace compared to the competition today. Yes, that's one of the most important things, however, we should not forget the good things we have going for us, and how much worse things could be if we didn't!

*except those that chase down FA's and watch porn in class
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