Originally Posted by 24/48

XJT/ASA told management "no" 2+ years ago, how's that going for them? Oh that's right, United moved a bunch of E145's to Transtates. I guess I can see why you're shouting from the rooftops to "stand up to the man".

Originally Posted by iFlyRC

Are you brand new to this game? Regionals will always exist, there will always be airline pilots on a "B" pay scale doing the same exact job, and there will always be the 1% who are the luckiest people in the industry who timed everything just right.
Some flipping stupid rumors I've heard in the Past... Mesa is going to acquire Envoy, Mesa is going to acquire Endeavor, Mesa is going to fly MD80's, and now Doug Parker is going to get rid of Mesa...

Originally Posted by iFlyRC

Are you brand new to this game? Regionals will always exist, there will always be airline pilots on a "B" pay scale doing the same exact job, and there will always be the 1% who are the luckiest people in the industry who timed everything just right.
Some flipping stupid rumors I've heard in the Past... Mesa is going to acquire Envoy, Mesa is going to acquire Endeavor, Mesa is going to fly MD80's, and now Doug Parker is going to get rid of Mesa...

Originally Posted by 24/48

It's the same story regardless of the regional you work for. As others have said, nobody has actually seen this TA, however, you have to look at the position Mesa is in with other regionals. You guys compete for CPA's and the majors try to get the best deal they can get. With higher demand in air travel we're seeing less and less regional feed but you still have a ton of regional operators. You guys have little to no leverage because there are plenty of operators for those -900's and 175's. It's a shame, but it is what it is.



That's a false sense of leverage. The majors are well aware of the staffing issues at the regionals, but there is a fix. That fix will come in the form of parking 50 seaters. The 70/76 seat jets will be staffed by displaced pilots off the 50 seaters. If the regional doesn't like that plan then the airplanes are moved to another regional.



Coming from the guy sleeping (or losing sleep) on the air mattress in the corner of ops.... Any regional pilot with a desire to move on to mainline should focus on just that. The time for standing up to management and demanding contractual gains comes when you actually start flying your own code, until then you have no say.



Exactly! The chest thumpers will be the first ones crying foul as airplanes start getting transferred to Skywest, etc.

Originally Posted by Duct Mon

You're flat out wrong with the MD80. Mesa is getting 737's

Originally Posted by prior121

Aren't you still on probation and can't vote anyway?

Originally Posted by CBreezy

And that arrogance is exactly why the regionals are the way they are in the first place. Your lack of intelligence doesn't give me comfort that you won't sell more scope away down the road for a menial gain in pay or retirement.

There are many regional labor groups that have stood up against their management and gotten gains in contracts and still exist today. TSA once had some of the worst pay rates among 145 carriers and worked their tales off to get to be industry average. Air Wisconsin has an incredible contract and just received even more gains. The reason that ENY, CMR, and XJT struggled and continue to struggle is because their labor force became too senior. Their contract wasn't what was too expensive. It is clear by the contract PSA agreed to (a increase in pay and benefits although concessionary to ENY) that management is interested in limited the top end of the pay scale to encourage people to move on.

To say that we should all just take whatever our management gives us is an insult to the profession. That attitude is why pay to play and $16/hour wages at GLA existed in the first place. Mesa pilots have the opportunity to make their contract competitive with the rest of the industry and you are saying to just take anything? Mesa pilots shouldn't take anything that isn't close to industry average and advising them to do otherwise makes me question your existence on this board.

Originally Posted by buddies8

i said to do it cheaper, what you think JO is going to say? and yes i am new to this game.

Originally Posted by CBreezy

And that arrogance is exactly why the regionals are the way they are in the first place. Your lack of intelligence doesn't give me comfort that you won't sell more scope away down the road for a menial gain in pay or retirement.

Originally Posted by CBreezy

There are many regional labor groups that have stood up against their management and gotten gains in contracts and still exist today. TSA once had some of the worst pay rates among 145 carriers and worked their tales off to get to be industry average. Air Wisconsin has an incredible contract and just received even more gains. The reason that ENY, CMR, and XJT struggled and continue to struggle is because their labor force became too senior. Their contract wasn't what was too expensive. It is clear by the contract PSA agreed to (a increase in pay and benefits although concessionary to ENY) that management is interested in limited the top end of the pay scale to encourage people to move on.

Originally Posted by CBreezy

To say that we should all just take whatever our management gives us is an insult to the profession. That attitude is why pay to play and $16/hour wages at GLA existed in the first place. Mesa pilots have the opportunity to make their contract competitive with the rest of the industry and you are saying to just take anything? Mesa pilots shouldn't take anything that isn't close to industry average and advising them to do otherwise makes me question your existence on this board.

Originally Posted by CBreezy

I support XJT and them saying no. If you think I'm going to agree on a concessionary contract to keep the UAX flying, you're crazy. The reason XJT didn't win the flying is because they couldn't bid for it at a loss like they did in their previous CPA. They also hemorrhaging in the center of their seniority list and are struggling to back fill all the loses. XJT/ASA is too expensive because they still continue to operate two separate airlines with two separate infrastructures combined with another very top heavy labor group.

Originally Posted by milehighskyline

Well dropping the 50 seat aircraft may be a shot term fix but long term is not going to help. And honestly I don't think it will make that big of a dent but I see where ur coming from

Mabe a false sense of leverage but look at republic and Skywest both are changing pay to 30 bucks an hour for first years. Better than 22. Teamsters at rjet have a lot more leverage now than they did 5 years ago when I was their. At least that's my opinion.

And yes I agree with you on focusing on that. Which i am. Just very mentally frustrating and taxing when all ur working for is a chanch at a better job. Ya I'm not the first and won't be the last just frustrated.

Hopefully I'll be out of here before it burns but if not I'll dance in the flames laughing. Then collect more money on unemployment and find a better flying job in China. I'm a ***** what can I say