Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed

The didn't pass a TA. They reached a TA. And just like Mesa, no one over there even knows what's in their TA yet.

Everyone needs to just chill out--half the people in this thread don't even work here and they're practically hysterical about a TA only 3-6 pilots have ever laid eyes on.

Frankly, I don't work for Air Wisconsin, so I don't care what their TA says. I don't care if they end up making 30% more than us to fly a 50-seater--because I'd still be an FO there for the forseeable future, and because their bases are extremely expensive places to live compared to Houston/Dallas/Phoenix. I also don't like the lack of job security entailed by only having FO time in my logbook, and working at a place with an ailing fleet of 50-seat aircraft and no fleet replacement plan afaik.

Everyone gets all worked up looking at each others' contracts, but the truth is most regionals are sufficiently different in cost structure, route structure, fleet types, career progression, and management culture that a straight comparison of payrates is a patently absurd thing on which to base a TA vote.

I don't lose sleep at night over the fact that a UAL Captain does the same job as me with vastly better work rules and respect for 3-5x more money. I also won't lose sleep at night if Air Whiskey gets a huge raise and great trip/duty rigs--because I don't work there and I don't want to be an FO on a CRJ-200 in PHL/LGA. I've done enough East Coast ups and downs in a 200 as an FO for a lifetime--not my thing!

Originally Posted by milehighskyline

I can't wait till these regionals burn to the ground and get what's been coming to them for a long time. Subpar pay with crap quality of life. Let em burn. That just means more main line jobs.

Originally Posted by milehighskyline

Chill out. Lol I do lose sleep over this stuff and I tell you why. When you make min guantee 14-15 k a year. Can't afford the company health insurance, live out of a crew room because you can't afford a crashpad, and live out of a friends unfinished basement, you loose sleep. You also loose sleep when the credit union blows up ur phone for missing a truck payment. Before you put fuel in your truck you have to check ur bank account to see if you can. Then a company employee threatens you because u took a bottle of water off the plane and informs you that's not your property but Americans property. My address is the airmatterss stuffed some days in the corner of the crew room at Dfw. Come see me loose some sleep.

Originally Posted by milehighskyline

If theirs no significant pay increase for captians or fo's it should not be voted in. We will have plenty of leverage In The coming months. Class numbers have started to drop off. Shortage of capitans are increasing and we still have planes being delivered. Why vote sub par when we could get average+. I can't vote this round but I hope we say no.

Originally Posted by milehighskyline

I can't wait till these regionals burn to the ground and get what's been coming to them for a long time. Subpar pay with crap quality of life. Let em burn. That just means more main line jobs.

Originally Posted by Duct Mon

The question is do you want to be at Mesa while it's on fire burning to the ground?

Originally Posted by 24/48

The time for standing up to management and demanding contractual gains comes when you actually start flying your own code, until then you have no say.

Originally Posted by milehighskyline

If theirs no significant pay increase for captians or fo's it should not be voted in. We will have plenty of leverage In The coming months. Class numbers have started to drop off. Shortage of capitans are increasing and we still have planes being delivered. Why vote sub par when we could get average+. I can't vote this round but I hope we say no.

Originally Posted by CBreezy

I just wanted to quote this to give you the chance to correct it in case you meant something else. You're saying that every single pilot at a regional should just take whatever management thinks is a good deal?

Originally Posted by CBreezy

I just wanted to quote this to give you the chance to correct it in case you meant something else. You're saying that every single pilot at a regional should just take whatever management thinks is a good deal?