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Old 07-30-2015 | 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Coneydog
Who's gonna whipsaw the bottom of the bottom feeder? Not saying that maliciously. Nobody can staff flying, and certainly no one can do it cheaper than Mesa. You guys don't have to do anything extraordinary; demanding an average contract seems fair.
I don't take it maliciously at all. I'm just putting the facts on the table. The regional whipsaw will continue until the flying goes back to mainline or each major airline wholly owns one regional airline to exclusively operate flights on their behalf. Until that happens lift will be shuffled from regional to regional and pilots will come in droves making lateral moves for the quick upgrade.

Like I said earlier, I don't like it. The state of the regional industry is downright depressing right now. But people have to understand that pilots will (and should) do what's best for them and their families.
Old 07-30-2015 | 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Bikingscott
have not read all the previous posts, on this new and improved Mesa thread, but I have it on good sources that there's a little clause in the new TA to allow approx 20 guys/month to go from the CRJ to the EJet.
That would greatly change the dynamics of the IAH base. You've got some very junior guys flying around holding good lines, while much, much more senior guys on the CRJ are stuck on reserve....
Not sure how this will all play out!
BS.
I'm going to have to call BS on this...

If 20 guys a month flowed from CRJ to EJET that creates up to 40 @ 20k each extra training events a month or roughly $800,000.00 in extra training costs a month.

LOL. me thinks not.
Old 07-30-2015 | 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Bikingscott
have not read all the previous posts, on this new and improved Mesa thread, but I have it on good sources that there's a little clause in the new TA to allow approx 20 guys/month to go from the CRJ to the EJet.
That would greatly change the dynamics of the IAH base. You've got some very junior guys flying around holding good lines, while much, much more senior guys on the CRJ are stuck on reserve....
Not sure how this will all play out!
BS.
This doesn't make sense. Those senior people had the opportunity to bid over and still can. I'm confused. That's how seniority works... If there are senior people sitting reserve on the CRJ that's their choice to stay. Why would the company care?
Old 07-31-2015 | 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Bikingscott
have not read all the previous posts, on this new and improved Mesa thread, but I have it on good sources that there's a little clause in the new TA to allow approx 20 guys/month to go from the CRJ to the EJet.
That would greatly change the dynamics of the IAH base. You've got some very junior guys flying around holding good lines, while much, much more senior guys on the CRJ are stuck on reserve....
Not sure how this will all play out!
BS.
Your source is wrong and/or exaggerating the number of people who can transfer.

Yes--the TA includes provisions allowing CRJ drivers to transition to the EJet, but it is nothing close to 20/month anytime soon.

Just sit tight and wait, ya'll--it won't be long before we have it in our hands.
Old 07-31-2015 | 12:20 AM
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Regarding longevity pay increases, the contract says:
When a pilot is advanced from one pay step to the next, which occurs on the anniversary of his date of hire, he shall be paid his new rate from the beginning of the pay period nearest that date.
If your class date was January 12th, for example, does that mean your flight hours aren't worth 2nd year pay until January 16th of the following year?
Old 07-31-2015 | 05:44 AM
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Originally Posted by flapshalfspeed
Your source is wrong and/or exaggerating the number of people who can transfer.

Yes--the TA includes provisions allowing CRJ drivers to transition to the EJet, but it is nothing close to 20/month anytime soon.

Just sit tight and wait, ya'll--it won't be long before we have it in our hands.
Is it enough to push the new captains down to reserve? Guess I should hold off on the commute/don't commute decision.

Speaking of...anyone interested in going in on a two-bed in a nice area downtown? Montrose, Galleria, etc.? Or The Woodlands. PM me.
Old 07-31-2015 | 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by PiperPower
This doesn't make sense. Those senior people had the opportunity to bid over and still can. I'm confused. That's how seniority works... If there are senior people sitting reserve on the CRJ that's their choice to stay. Why would the company care?
Oh knowledgeable one, Explain to me how we had and still have the ability to move from the crj to the erj
Old 07-31-2015 | 07:56 AM
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Maybe he meant to say max 20 per vacancy bid....
Old 07-31-2015 | 10:44 AM
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Stunning photo out of Nashville of an old Mesa (Freedom) ERJ: Photos: Embraer ERJ-145LR (EMB-145LR) Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net

What happened to the freedom pilots after the shutdown?
Old 07-31-2015 | 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by AceyCandler
Stunning photo out of Nashville of an old Mesa (Freedom) ERJ: Photos: Embraer ERJ-145LR (EMB-145LR) Aircraft Pictures | Airliners.net

What happened to the freedom pilots after the shutdown?
I hope they pulled some parts for scrap.
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