New Mesa Thread
08-14-2015 | 01:29 PM
#472
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From: Airbus FO
Separating out all of the emotions about what we truly deserve to be paid, we need to consider two possible truths:
1) The ALPA-hired CPAs, attorneys, professional advisors, MEC, and negotiating committee members are telling the truth--Mesa is broke. In this scenario, the hard truth many of you are having trouble stomaching is this: "We are broke airline pilots flying for a broke airline."
alternatively
2) The ALPA-hired CPAs, attorneys, professional advisors, MEC, and negotiating committee members are all risking their reputations, professional certifications/incomes, and elected positions in a massive cover-up to help Mesa executives conceal the company's true financial state and codeshare revenues. JO is making ungodly profits on those codeshare agreements we underbid every other regional in the United States to secure, and he has somehow convinced all of the above individuals to literally risk their livelihoods in going along with his evil cover-up and plan for world domination.
I'm leaning towards truth #1
1) The ALPA-hired CPAs, attorneys, professional advisors, MEC, and negotiating committee members are telling the truth--Mesa is broke. In this scenario, the hard truth many of you are having trouble stomaching is this: "We are broke airline pilots flying for a broke airline."
alternatively
2) The ALPA-hired CPAs, attorneys, professional advisors, MEC, and negotiating committee members are all risking their reputations, professional certifications/incomes, and elected positions in a massive cover-up to help Mesa executives conceal the company's true financial state and codeshare revenues. JO is making ungodly profits on those codeshare agreements we underbid every other regional in the United States to secure, and he has somehow convinced all of the above individuals to literally risk their livelihoods in going along with his evil cover-up and plan for world domination.
I'm leaning towards truth #1
08-14-2015 | 01:30 PM
#473
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Separating out all of the emotions about what we truly deserve to be paid, we need to consider two possible truths:
1) The ALPA-hired CPAs, attorneys, professional advisors, MEC, and negotiating committee members are telling the truth--Mesa is broke. In this scenario, the hard truth many of you are having trouble stomaching is this: "We are broke airline pilots flying for a broke airline."
alternatively
2) The ALPA-hired CPAs, attorneys, professional advisors, MEC, and negotiating committee members are all risking their reputations, professional certifications/incomes, and elected positions in a massive cover-up to help Mesa executives conceal the company's true financial state and codeshare revenues. JO is making ungodly profits on those codeshare agreements we underbid every other regional in the United States to secure, and he has somehow convinced all of the above individuals to literally risk their livelihoods in going along with his evil cover-up and plan for world domination.
I'm leaning towards truth #1
1) The ALPA-hired CPAs, attorneys, professional advisors, MEC, and negotiating committee members are telling the truth--Mesa is broke. In this scenario, the hard truth many of you are having trouble stomaching is this: "We are broke airline pilots flying for a broke airline."
alternatively
2) The ALPA-hired CPAs, attorneys, professional advisors, MEC, and negotiating committee members are all risking their reputations, professional certifications/incomes, and elected positions in a massive cover-up to help Mesa executives conceal the company's true financial state and codeshare revenues. JO is making ungodly profits on those codeshare agreements we underbid every other regional in the United States to secure, and he has somehow convinced all of the above individuals to literally risk their livelihoods in going along with his evil cover-up and plan for world domination.
I'm leaning towards truth #1
08-14-2015 | 01:32 PM
#475
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FO payrates are increased much more than 1%--you don't have the scale in front of you. The Exec summary didn't really make that clear.
Payraises for years 2-9 FO are much higher than 1%. They aren't specified in the summary.
This agreement basically gives the biggest gains to FOs. Not sure why you're mad about that, since it sounds like you're an FO?
Payraises for years 2-9 FO are much higher than 1%. They aren't specified in the summary.
This agreement basically gives the biggest gains to FOs. Not sure why you're mad about that, since it sounds like you're an FO?
08-14-2015 | 01:36 PM
#476
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FO payrates are increased much more than 1%--you don't have the scale in front of you. The Exec summary didn't really make that clear.
Payraises for years 2-9 FO are much higher than 1%. They aren't specified in the summary.
This agreement basically gives the biggest gains to FOs. Not sure why you're mad about that, since it sounds like you're an FO?
Payraises for years 2-9 FO are much higher than 1%. They aren't specified in the summary.
This agreement basically gives the biggest gains to FOs. Not sure why you're mad about that, since it sounds like you're an FO?
08-14-2015 | 01:37 PM
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Is that fair? Heck no it isn't fair. But there is no provision in the RLA or the administrative law history of the NMB that has ever determined that executive compensation levels should be a factor in the collective bargaining process.
Like I said--you'll need a President further left than the current one to make that change happen at the NMB. Further left than Jimmy Carter/FDR. Don't see that happening in my lifetime (and don't want to).
08-14-2015 | 01:40 PM
#478
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"FO RATE INCREASED ALL TYPES (YEARS 2-9)"
Where are you getting 1%? Where are you getting "slap in the face?"
There isn't a raise specified, because it is much higher than 1%.
They just didn't have space to type out the specific raise for each of those eight years in the exec summary.
Chilllllllll.
Where are you getting 1%? Where are you getting "slap in the face?"
There isn't a raise specified, because it is much higher than 1%.
They just didn't have space to type out the specific raise for each of those eight years in the exec summary.
Chilllllllll.
08-14-2015 | 01:46 PM
#479
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Hey if you want to spend the next 5 years in foot-dragging negotiations for industry-average pay, under current book work rules, go for it if that's what works best for you! I'd prefer to lock in a small payraise/elimination of 50-seat basepay, and better work rules now, rather than spend the next 5-years in negotiations under current work rules.
08-14-2015 | 02:01 PM
#480
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The NMB has never, ever, ever taken into consideration the compensation of an executive team in the negotiating process of any airline in US history.
Is that fair? Heck no it isn't fair. But there is no provision in the RLA or the administrative law history of the NMB that has ever determined that executive compensation levels should be a factor in the collective bargaining process.
Like I said--you'll need a President further left than the current one to make that change happen at the NMB. Further left than Jimmy Carter/FDR. Don't see that happening in my lifetime (and don't want to).
Is that fair? Heck no it isn't fair. But there is no provision in the RLA or the administrative law history of the NMB that has ever determined that executive compensation levels should be a factor in the collective bargaining process.
Like I said--you'll need a President further left than the current one to make that change happen at the NMB. Further left than Jimmy Carter/FDR. Don't see that happening in my lifetime (and don't want to).
While we don't have a whole lot of leverage, we can at least voice our beliefs of our self worth, as I predict will happen, and by a big margin vote this POS down. Then again, we all came here knowing what kind of crappy pay and benefits we volunteered to fly for, and we're ok with it then, so maybe a slight improvement seems great to some.
JO wins either way. End result is he won't pay pilots much more either way it's voted. We won't get the improvements we want. He takes this company public, cashes out, and doesn't care about the looming implosion caused by inability to gain/retain pilots.
I was on the fence until the exsum came out. Now I'm a definite no. And I will vote further with my feet at my 2 year anniversary most likely, maybe to another airline, maybe to a real job, or back to school.
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