Email says the NC managed to capture $14.7 mil over 5 years for the pilots, which is a little less than $3 mil a year, or about $2500 a year per pilot if spread evenly across the pilot group (which it isn't). Not sure how they valued each item on there (it isn't all/much at all in financial gains), but no matter how you spin it our gains are pretty bad.

And, adjusting for inflation over the last decade and into the next 5 years, we will have taken about a 3% pay cut annually for a 15 year period, probably longer.

Also, I'm guessing the top 5 execs make at least that same $3mil a year combined, between salary and bonus. Wouldn't surprise me if at least a couple of them made that or more themselves annually while we are on poverty wages.

Doesn't JO need the company to settle labor negotiations to be able to get more planes and in order go public? How about he offers something that isn't insulting and we can help him out with that.

Once the music stops, which it has pretty much for newhires now, and word gets out about actual upgrade times a year from now, how are we going to staff? He doesn't see it because he still fills classes with no bonus or any other incentive besides a quick upgrade.

 

This new TA is also set to expire as our contracts are expiring...
How much you want to bet we will be told, "You need to take concessions to secure an extension to our contracts."
And there are concessions in this new TA, training contracts going from 10,000 to 13,000$, no doubt to stem the flow of new hires who stick around for a couple of months and then leave.
I personally would benefit more from this than others, but it would be very short term gains. Heavily leaning NO on this one.

 

This contract is a Fuc******* joke. NO. NO. NO.

I dont care. Burn it down. Let it die. 1%? Hah.

How about we quit flying for you and JO gets 0%.

Not that we actually thought it would be anything other than this but still. If it isnt a 90% no vote ill be suprised. Its a slap in the face. The cherry on the top for me is KCM lol

 

What's the upgrade time for a guy hired with zero 121 time today? What about six months ago?

 

Infinite now. Only a few airplanes left to be delivered. Soo uhh whenever you pass 700 people in front of you. New hires will not upgrade here.

 

Yep, burn it.

 

Not to **** on your witch burning or anything, but the company doesn't go out of business if you don't accept the ta. If its voted down and we go to arbitration and they see that the company negotiated in good faith per their earnings, then guess what: nothing changes. We don't work for Skywest, AWAC, or anyone else. Just because what they were offered was much better, doesn't have any bearing on this being the best we're going to get. Your opinion of what you're worth aside, your decision will be rested upon whether or not you believe the union in saying there is no more to get.

 

I think they are getting at that in the long run Mesa won't attract new pilots, and the ones we have will leave for places that have better pay. The burning will start when we start canceling flights. Think about how many FOs that will feel lied to when they don't get their fast upgrade. Most guys believe this needs to pass for Mesa to secure more flying.

 

Yeah cheaper.

 

You said it yourself--it took 5 years of negotiations to get this TA. How long do you think it'll take to get an industry-average TA? Or an industry-leading one? Or even one just slightly better than this one? A decade?

Sorry to anyone who expected the union--whose hands are effectively tied by the NMB/RLA--to extract money that isn't there from the regional with the lowest profit margins in the country. If you're holding out for industry-average you are never going to get that TA from Mesa in your lifetime. If you want to make that much money go work for XJet/Skywest/Compass--they are all hiring. Why are you still here even talking about this?

I'm really, really confused at why people are so shocked. The only reason many of us have our Captain seats, and the only reason we still have airplanes to fly, is because we underbid everyone else in the past to get them.

I frankly don't care which way any of you vote--just please vote what's best for you, and filter out the angry tired voices of the senior Captains who are already making six figures and don't care about reserve rules, FO payrates, or securing new flying at all.