Suggestions Mesa/TSA/Envoy/GoJet
04-10-2016 | 03:23 PM
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I'll add this as well. Try and look at this as you would your 401K. You invest in the long term, find solid companies to invest in. You don't day trade a retirement account you don't even let a bad day make you check your account because you know you're in for decades not weeks. You younger guys have to remember this. The hiring boom at the legacy carriers is now upon us. BUT, there are a solid decades amount of pilots ahead you with a lot more experience. Some may not be applying ( good for us) some are not hireable ( too old, poor 121 records) but a large number of us are. If you are just coming off your CFI and think at 2500 tt and just crossed that 1000 pic is going to make your phone ring, well you're going to be sorely mistaken.
04-10-2016 | 04:45 PM
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I'll add this as well. Try and look at this as you would your 401K. You invest in the long term, find solid companies to invest in. You don't day trade a retirement account you don't even let a bad day make you check your account because you know you're in for decades not weeks. You younger guys have to remember this. The hiring boom at the legacy carriers is now upon us. BUT, there are a solid decades amount of pilots ahead you with a lot more experience. Some may not be applying ( good for us) some are not hireable ( too old, poor 121 records) but a large number of us are. If you are just coming off your CFI and think at 2500 tt and just crossed that 1000 pic is going to make your phone ring, well you're going to be sorely mistaken.
04-10-2016 | 04:50 PM
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Given the numbers the majors will be hiring over the next 10 years, I have no clue how the regionals will be able to survive. I tend to look at the regionals as a short term investment, with the objective to get the hours you need, and move onto the LCC's. It's better to wait for that call from an LCC than a regional. If envoy actually starts to do the 2.5 and 6, and your number is up for a flow, it would make sense to stay for that. They won't flow however if they can't attract people in numbers to support it.
LCC guys are competing to get into AA, United (which now 25% of the new hires will be Xjet, and other percentage from Commutair), Delta will continue to work with Endevour.
But it's all about point of views, this is not a sprit race, is a marathon.
04-11-2016 | 09:56 AM
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Well, everyone bashing Mesa on here do not work for Mesa, and are repeating the same old lies.
Mesa has the lowest pay, and worst benefits. These two items are huge issues and are the biggest negatives. Do not listen to an Envoy person about Mesa, they are filled with too much hatred to ever be objective on this subject.
There are positives about Mesa, we have one of the best pilot groups in the business, where everyone is very nice and not out to back stab each other. Our chief pilot in DFW is one of the best you'll ever have in your career, management leaves you alone, and the company is excellent about not pushing you to do something questionable. I am a captain, and every FO I have flown with has had previous turbine experience with exception of a few CFI's. Our phone interview is not the interview, ground school, sim, and IOE is the interview. Mesa will give you the opportunity when others will not. I haven't had any horror stories, just people who are thankful for the opportunity. I am getting sick and tired of the lies on here about Mesa.
Mesa has the lowest pay, and worst benefits. These two items are huge issues and are the biggest negatives. Do not listen to an Envoy person about Mesa, they are filled with too much hatred to ever be objective on this subject.
There are positives about Mesa, we have one of the best pilot groups in the business, where everyone is very nice and not out to back stab each other. Our chief pilot in DFW is one of the best you'll ever have in your career, management leaves you alone, and the company is excellent about not pushing you to do something questionable. I am a captain, and every FO I have flown with has had previous turbine experience with exception of a few CFI's. Our phone interview is not the interview, ground school, sim, and IOE is the interview. Mesa will give you the opportunity when others will not. I haven't had any horror stories, just people who are thankful for the opportunity. I am getting sick and tired of the lies on here about Mesa.
I've flown with a good deal of new captains here at YV and I gotta tell you, some of those guys are complete nervous wrecks based on a lack of trust in the FO's basic flying skills (we're talking BASIC flying skills here).
Is it the FO's fault? Not always. They're trying to learn a new way of flying, in an environment that has an incredibly steep learning curve. Is it the company's fault for rushing them through training, or failing to separate from those who clearly aren't working out? Absolutely.
They're setting up for a 3407 all over again.
Is it the FO's fault? Not always. They're trying to learn a new way of flying, in an environment that has an incredibly steep learning curve. Is it the company's fault for rushing them through training, or failing to separate from those who clearly aren't working out? Absolutely.
They're setting up for a 3407 all over again.
On the same note, is it outrageous to ask for an FO who knows how to do their job? Jesus Christ folks, we're airline pilots not cashiers. We can only do on the job training safely to a certain extent. The fact that some FOs in this industry are sitting at the pointy end of an airliner is downright frightening. Enough with letting everyone try their hand in being an airline pilot. Captains shouldn't have to be flying with someone in the right seat who is making their job harder than it would be if they were flying single pilot - competent, English speaking FOs should be the norm.
I had a Captain a few parings ago tell me,"Thank you for not scaring me." Then told me a few pretty sketchy situations with new FOs. Sucks because that increases their workload that much more having to babysit. Like being a CFI all over again.
I'm pretty sure he along with most captains would have no problem helping FO's out. I bet he is talking about the degradation of the quality of FOs coming out of training that can't even talk on the radios. No CA should have to feel like he is working single pilot up in the cockpit.
Speaking of captain's I'm getting real tired of flying with newly upgraded captain's that can't even speak ****ing English. I shouldn't have to repeat every instruction ATC gives us. That is all.
04-11-2016 | 10:31 AM
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As a Mesa DFW CA, I can safely say you are taking a couple of rare events and blowing it out of proportion as if it happens routinely.
04-11-2016 | 11:00 AM
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As a DFW FO for Envoy I can Safely say that MESA does have more than its share of mess ups in DFW. OK so they may be a little less frequent then we lead on, but the stuff that happens should NEVER happen. I get the whole putting in the wrong run way and the AP starts flying the wrong SID (Mesa). That stuff can happen to any pilot.
I think most pilots are talking about stuff that happens that high lights the major lack of piloting ability that MESA displays. For example, I'm coming into DFW and act gives Mesa a vector for spacing. He won't take the vector because his heading bug isn't working and he would be forced to turn off the AP. The pilot actually says he can't accept it because he would have to turn off the AP turn the airplane with his hands and descend at the same time. MESA pilot shows an inability to turn and descend at the same time with out the AP on. He is flying a 121 passenger plane and he can't turn off his AP to turn the airplane.
Let's not forget the wing tip landing.
I think most pilots are talking about stuff that happens that high lights the major lack of piloting ability that MESA displays. For example, I'm coming into DFW and act gives Mesa a vector for spacing. He won't take the vector because his heading bug isn't working and he would be forced to turn off the AP. The pilot actually says he can't accept it because he would have to turn off the AP turn the airplane with his hands and descend at the same time. MESA pilot shows an inability to turn and descend at the same time with out the AP on. He is flying a 121 passenger plane and he can't turn off his AP to turn the airplane.
Let's not forget the wing tip landing.
04-11-2016 | 01:23 PM
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As a DFW FO for Envoy I can Safely say that MESA does have more than its share of mess ups in DFW. OK so they may be a little less frequent then we lead on, but the stuff that happens should NEVER happen. I get the whole putting in the wrong run way and the AP starts flying the wrong SID (Mesa). That stuff can happen to any pilot.
I think most pilots are talking about stuff that happens that high lights the major lack of piloting ability that MESA displays. For example, I'm coming into DFW and act gives Mesa a vector for spacing. He won't take the vector because his heading bug isn't working and he would be forced to turn off the AP. The pilot actually says he can't accept it because he would have to turn off the AP turn the airplane with his hands and descend at the same time. MESA pilot shows an inability to turn and descend at the same time with out the AP on. He is flying a 121 passenger plane and he can't turn off his AP to turn the airplane.
Let's not forget the wing tip landing.
I think most pilots are talking about stuff that happens that high lights the major lack of piloting ability that MESA displays. For example, I'm coming into DFW and act gives Mesa a vector for spacing. He won't take the vector because his heading bug isn't working and he would be forced to turn off the AP. The pilot actually says he can't accept it because he would have to turn off the AP turn the airplane with his hands and descend at the same time. MESA pilot shows an inability to turn and descend at the same time with out the AP on. He is flying a 121 passenger plane and he can't turn off his AP to turn the airplane.
Let's not forget the wing tip landing.
04-11-2016 | 01:51 PM
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