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Old 05-04-2017 | 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by squawkoff
Man, JO is like a dog with a bone. He just cannot let this go and accept it. The 1500 hour rule is going no where. I don't think there's been an accident of any kind since this was put in place. Was it because of the 1500 hour rule? Nope. Just a stretch of accident free flying.

I overheard a conference call where JO sent someone to Washington to lobby the incoming Trump administration and they were told that the 1500 hour rule was here to stay. They then told them if they want to attract pilots maybe he (JO) should pay a more money. Boo Yaaa!
They'll raise the max age to 67 (or more) before they'll ever remove the 1500 hour rule. Colgan victims families will be screaming to Congress again and a sympathetic press would make eliminating it way too unpopular for Congress to even consider that. It's just another example of something our fearless leader refuses to recognize. For a company that claims not to have the money to provide fair compensation, they sure don't seem to have a problem coming up with money to waste on this futile crap.
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Old 05-04-2017 | 08:36 PM
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I also would not worry about the 67 rule not going to happen at the top. You can't do international flying past 65 and the US can't change that.
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Old 05-04-2017 | 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by LostMedic
I also would not worry about the 67 rule not going to happen at the top. You can't do international flying past 65 and the US can't change that.
They will change the 65 rule someday. Canada and Japan already have 67 rules. They don't need it Internationally. They can use it with all the flying in the US.
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Old 05-05-2017 | 04:34 AM
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We just get further and further behind. Why is it they can fly FFDO contracts with the same carriers we do but pay soooo much better? And they have some kind of agreement with United to hire pilots.

APPLETON, Wis., May 5, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- Air Wisconsin Airlines announced today significant enhancements to its existing bonus program, increasing the value of cash bonuses to $57,000, including $8,000 for pilots type rated in a turbine aircraft. When added to Air Wisconsin's competitive wage structure and best-in-class benefits, these increases position Air Wisconsin as the regional airline industry leader in new hire pilot compensation. During the first three years of employment, a new pilot will receive between $260,000 and $317,000 in total pay and elected benefits.

New hire pilots can expect to upgrade to Captain in 18 to 24 months-likely faster for pilots hired in the next several months-as Air Wisconsin dramatically expands its pilot group in connection with its recently announced long-term agreement with United Airlines.

In addition to industry-leading compensation and fast upgrades, Air Wisconsin pilots enjoy a structured, rapid career progression to United Airlines through the United Career Pathway Program.

According to Bob Frisch, Air Wisconsin's Chief Operating Officer, "Today's announcement highlights Air Wisconsin's commitment to attracting qualified pilots to its growing pilot group and creates best-in-class compensation to go along with the rapid upgrade opportunities created by our new partnership with United Airlines."

For more information about the new hire pilot bonus program and joining the Air Wisconsin team, please visit www.airwis.com/pilots .
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Old 05-05-2017 | 05:26 AM
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I am sure they are offering JO the money for the pilot group he is just putting it in HIS pocket instead.
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Old 05-05-2017 | 06:12 AM
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Originally Posted by squawkoff
We just get further and further behind. Why is it they can fly FFDO contracts with the same carriers we do but pay soooo much better? And they have some kind of agreement with United to hire pilots.

APPLETON, Wis., May 5, 2017 /PRNewswire/ -- Air Wisconsin Airlines announced today significant enhancements to its existing bonus program, increasing the value of cash bonuses to $57,000, including $8,000 for pilots type rated in a turbine aircraft. When added to Air Wisconsin's competitive wage structure and best-in-class benefits, these increases position Air Wisconsin as the regional airline industry leader in new hire pilot compensation. During the first three years of employment, a new pilot will receive between $260,000 and $317,000 in total pay and elected benefits.

New hire pilots can expect to upgrade to Captain in 18 to 24 months-likely faster for pilots hired in the next several months-as Air Wisconsin dramatically expands its pilot group in connection with its recently announced long-term agreement with United Airlines.

In addition to industry-leading compensation and fast upgrades, Air Wisconsin pilots enjoy a structured, rapid career progression to United Airlines through the United Career Pathway Program.

According to Bob Frisch, Air Wisconsin's Chief Operating Officer, "Today's announcement highlights Air Wisconsin's commitment to attracting qualified pilots to its growing pilot group and creates best-in-class compensation to go along with the rapid upgrade opportunities created by our new partnership with United Airlines."

For more information about the new hire pilot bonus program and joining the Air Wisconsin team, please visit www.airwis.com/pilots .
Could you provide a link? I am not seeing this anywhere else.

Never mind, sorry, link found.

Last edited by Wilson03; 05-05-2017 at 06:15 AM. Reason: I found a link.
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Old 05-05-2017 | 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by squawkoff
We just get further and further behind. Why is it they can fly FFDO contracts with the same carriers we do but pay soooo much better? And they have some kind of agreement with United to hire pilots.
Because Air Wisky is owned by an investor group who gets their money outside of aviation and "plays" in aviation with Air Wisky for the fun of it.
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Old 05-05-2017 | 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Sennant
Because Air Wisky is owned by an investor group who gets their money outside of aviation and "plays" in aviation with Air Wisky for the fun of it.
Fair point. But what about Skywest, Republic, Expressjet? Are they in the same boat as Air Whiskey? Honestly don't know that's why I'm asking. Why is it the other non-wholly owned can pay their people much better? There's only two possibilities that I can think of. One, JO is biddding appropriately and pocketing the money (as mentioned earlier) or two, he's under bidding just to get the contracts to keep his airplanes flying hoping he can continue to get cheap labor. I think his luck is running out.
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Old 05-05-2017 | 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by squawkoff
Fair point. But what about Skywest, Republic, Expressjet? Are they in the same boat as Air Whiskey? Honestly don't know that's why I'm asking. Why is it the other non-wholly owned can pay their people much better? There's only two possibilities that I can think of. One, JO is biddding appropriately and pocketing the money (as mentioned earlier) or two, he's under bidding just to get the contracts to keep his airplanes flying hoping he can continue to get cheap labor. I think his luck is running out.
Easy. Underbids contracts and underpays his employees.
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Old 05-05-2017 | 09:09 AM
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But what's the point of undercutting when mainline evenly distributes feed anyway?
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