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Old 03-03-2017 | 10:04 AM
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Originally Posted by xjtgrunt
Please explain like I am 5. Why are pilots suing because they are getting paid more?
because 1st year pilots are making more (w/ bonuses includes) than 2nd and maybe even 3rd year FO/s
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Old 03-03-2017 | 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by deltajuliet
I know guys who've joined the recruiting department to get off perma-reserve or avoid commuting, etc. I have a lot of respect for them as pilots and people, but yeah, I really wish they would've taken any other position.
I have to disagree with you. Once you start selling potential new hires on all these bonuses set forth by Marcia Kolodyzecykchuck and Mesa management, you've now become a major part of the problem and in essence spat in the face of your fellow pilots.

Perma-reserve? Deal with it like the rest of the guys/gals out online. Commuting? These recruiters knew what they were getting into going to Mesa. Circumnavigating these factors by pedaling the very issue MAG ALPA is fighting and now suing over is a joke and a question of charecter and especially when these recruiters are seniority list folks protected by their MAG ALPA.

I do however agree with you, there are other positions than being a BS recruiter to potentially avoid commuting or reserve.

Wake up you recruiters!
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Old 03-03-2017 | 10:23 AM
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Have other regional airlines filed this same suit in the past? If so, did they also seek an injunction (smart) while the case works its way through the system?
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Old 03-03-2017 | 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by MesaMentor
I have to disagree with you. Once you start selling potential new hires on all these bonuses set forth by Marcia Kolodyzecykchuck and Mesa management, you've now become a major part of the problem and in essence spat in the face of your fellow pilots.

Perma-reserve? Deal with it like the rest of the guys/gals out online. Commuting? These recruiters knew what they were getting into going to Mesa. Circumnavigating these factors by pedaling the very issue MAG ALPA is fighting and now suing over is a joke and a question of charecter and especially when these recruiters are seniority list folks protected by their MAG ALPA.

I do however agree with you, there are other positions than being a BS recruiter to potentially avoid commuting or reserve.

Wake up you recruiters!
yeah, Kenyan!
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Old 03-03-2017 | 01:19 PM
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No. This happens at pretty much all the regionals paying bonuses. The difference being that Mesa is using their bonus to attract people, paying prior to them being on property, so they are circumventing the contract. It has nothing to do with a NH making more first year than second year FOs. It just has to be agreed upon in the contract to be legal.

Originally Posted by Mr Rumbold
because 1st year pilots are making more (w/ bonuses includes) than 2nd and maybe even 3rd year FO/s
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Old 03-03-2017 | 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by tom11011
Have other regional airlines filed this same suit in the past? If so, did they also seek an injunction (smart) while the case works its way through the system?
I thought several years ago Compass was sued by the union and the union won putting a stop to newhire bonuses. I could be wrong.
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Old 03-03-2017 | 05:20 PM
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United is awarding 12 new E-Jets to Mesa. Congrats! Does this mean United sees hope in the company and they might be better?
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Old 03-03-2017 | 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Student01
United is awarding 12 new E-Jets to Mesa. Congrats! Does this mean United sees hope in the company and they might be better?
No.

It means Mesa underbid everyone else because they pay their employees ****ty.
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Old 03-03-2017 | 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by squawkoff
Better late than never but shouldn't this have been done this time last year?
Status quo violation by the RLA standards didn't happen until they started giving bonuses to pilots after IOE. That didn't start until a few months ago.
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Old 03-03-2017 | 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 20sx
Status quo violation by the RLA standards didn't happen until they started giving bonuses to pilots after IOE. That didn't start until a few months ago.
I know that toward the end of 2015 they were giving money to new hires to buy an IPad.

The bonuses they're now paying is being paid to new hires before they're actually hired?
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