I really appreciate the work that went into this, and it is better than I thought it would be however it still falls short of acceptable for me...

I can live with the DOS rates, but the fact that that F/O pay actually decreases is absolutely unacceptable. It creates a B scale that is a real disserverce to the industry.

No affordable insurance for a pilot group is absolutely unacceptable.

Allowing retired pilots to fly ferry flights is unacceptable. ALL flying needs to be done by pilots on the seniority list.

Giving the company carte blance to pay huge new hire bonuses is unacceptable. If they want to contiue to pay bonuses to new hires, they should negotiate some type of retention bonus as well.

I will continue to review the TA and go to a road show as well, but at a glance I see some real issues with this TA - particularly given the pro pilot environment we are negotiating in.

Dude, you are so full of it. Just a few pages ago you said you wanted JO to give you a contract that you deserve. Now you're happy with a few hundred dollars more in pay a month. Also the pay doesn't make the contract, it's the work rules. Not that you care though, cuz you said you're leaving right? Based on what you've been saying you're one of those back stabbing pilots that would sell their soul for something that benefits only him. This contract won't even be industry standard today let alone a year from now.

And there is the problem with the pilots of Mesa. Me, me ,me. I, I, I. We are not unified as a group. There are too many pilots that think it's a shoe in to move on to another carrier. Ask some of the lifers what they thought when they got hired with Mesa? I have and many of them told they had no plans to stay at Mesa for 10 to 20 years so why not bite the bullet a little longer and leave this place better for others and possibly yourself?

JO has something up his sleeve IMO. A sale or merger possibly but there's a reason he has all of a sudden decided to bargain. He is under pressure to get this done. This contract is much better than I thought it would be but I admit I haven't sat down and read it cover to cover but from what I've seen I'm a no. We need improvements in employee healthcare cost. The pay needs to be better and that DOS +1 crap has to go and 2nd-4th year pay being the same for FO needs to go. JO is obsessed with the 1500 rule going away and it's not going anywhere. The "at companies discretion" in various parts of the contract needs to go.

I've heard some ask why did the MEC approve it to go to the pilot group? IMO it makes a bigger statement when 65-70% of the group say "no" than just the MEC. I'm glad they put it out for a vote.

Airflight, you have every right to vote the way you see fit for your situation but I do ask you what happens if you're stuck here for several years? 10 years? What if there another terrorist attack like 9/11? I don't think it will take a couple years to get another TA. We're still in mediation. I don't think we have to start over. JO wants to get a deal.

The pilot group at Mesa has been beat down for so long that these rates look good but they're still no where near industry average.

We have the leverage now. At no time in history has there been a time where the demand for pilots so high and the supply so low. Let's not squander it for a few dollars and a defeatist attitude of we're not going to get any better.

If you do a Jet Way trade it would be the equivalent of dropping that leg of the trip or trading it to the other person meaning you would lose the credit for the leg that you "gave away" but any credit on the previous leg would be paid according to the CBA. I.e. Scheduled block or actual block whichever is greater.

per jetway trade.
in the past, a captain done for the day is trying to jumpseat and already set brakes from his previous inbound trip. the captain flying the trip wants to give it away and the captain trying to jumpseat is willing to fly the trip but crewtracking would say, he already set his brakes, now he must have 10hrs off before he can fly again even if he can still technically per 117 duty regs fly the leg. is that any better

If I had to guess, I'd expect to see something much better within weeks ... just like this one took. As for furloughs, if that's going to happen then it's going to happen and there is nothing that can be done at this late point in time to stop it. But, I would like to point out that furloughs happen when there's more pilots than there is flying. What's going on now is the exact opposite, so let's just put that argument back on the shelf, shall we?

I'm betting your IAH, which may explain your position a bit better. I can assure you that the IAD and DFW pilots haven't been expressing contentment with the pay as you claim to be hearing.

Exactly. I think this MEC is the one to get it done. They have done a great job to date since taking over. I am impressed with how they have done things and that is not easy. It is up to you to accept it or send it back and give them more leverage to get more. The biggest thing is letting them know you want to keep them if it gets voted down as they usually step down. So voice to them that you support them, and they have done good, but need more at these roadshows if that is what you want.

The $40/ month iPad reimbursement non taxable is a good look, in 8 months you can buy a new iPad (not bad). A lot of guys here who didn't get that $500 for the iPad will be happy

That's not a proper interpretation of part 117. If you have an FDP length that would allow you to fly, you may fly.

i cant find language for reserve pilots finishing a turn being contactable outside of 13-n-12. how much time are they giving per contract to get to a phone and reachable after landing and blocking in. so maybe 13n16 clears it up. but does this mean if i am on reserve for a particular month and get a turn, i have 20 minutes from brake set to finish all flight duties and get to the crew room where i can be reachable?
also, in the past when i was a reservist, company would state we "attempted" to call you while i was still in the air. will these shenanigans cease?