Mesa 3.0
12-02-2017, 12:52 PM
#5231
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[QUOTE=Sennant;2475906]Uh cuz your a professional pilot hired to do a job and not abuse a system by lieing to your company about your fitness to work.[/QUOTE
Uh well, bro.. my sick time is my sick time. If I choose to call out because I've got a fever of 102, or because I'm taking a extra day to enjoy for whatever reason, that's my business.
Now apparently they're falling people into Phoenix for meetings, for calling in sick.
I hope these people do to there, with representation, and then call out fatigued the next day for having to travel there.
And I hope the FAA is aware pilots are being pressured into flying when not safe.
Uh well, bro.. my sick time is my sick time. If I choose to call out because I've got a fever of 102, or because I'm taking a extra day to enjoy for whatever reason, that's my business.
Now apparently they're falling people into Phoenix for meetings, for calling in sick.
I hope these people do to there, with representation, and then call out fatigued the next day for having to travel there.
And I hope the FAA is aware pilots are being pressured into flying when not safe.
12-02-2017, 01:13 PM
#5232
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Originally Posted by MysteriousMrX
because I'm taking a extra day to enjoy for whatever reason, that's my business.
And I hope the FAA is aware pilots are being pressured into flying when not safe.
And I hope the FAA is aware pilots are being pressured into flying when not safe.
12-02-2017, 01:19 PM
#5233
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Originally Posted by Sennant
Uh cuz your a professional pilot hired to do a job and not abuse a system by lieing to your company about your fitness to work.
Originally Posted by qazWSX
Get off of your high horse and get a GED.
CUZ should never acceptable when mentioning that someone is a "professional".
12-02-2017, 02:28 PM
#5235
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Originally Posted by DoNoHarm
YOU ARE a professional pilot. So you're. Not your.
CUZ should never acceptable when mentioning that someone is a "professional".
CUZ should never acceptable when mentioning that someone is a "professional".
“Lying to YOU ARE company” really makes sense.
Just admit You’re wrong on this one.
12-02-2017, 02:38 PM
#5236
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[QUOTE=MysteriousMrX;2476308]
Sick leave (or paid sick days or sick pay) is time off from work that workers can use to stay home to address their health and safety needs without losing pay. Paid sick leave is a statutory requirement in many nations.
Nowhere in that definition is using it because it’s nice outside and you would rather tan than do your job.
Originally Posted by Sennant
Uh cuz your a professional pilot hired to do a job and not abuse a system by lieing to your company about your fitness to work.[/QUOTE
Uh well, bro.. my sick time is my sick time. If I choose to call out because I've got a fever of 102, or because I'm taking a extra day to enjoy for whatever reason, that's my business.
Uh well, bro.. my sick time is my sick time. If I choose to call out because I've got a fever of 102, or because I'm taking a extra day to enjoy for whatever reason, that's my business.
Nowhere in that definition is using it because it’s nice outside and you would rather tan than do your job.
12-02-2017, 02:58 PM
#5237
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Originally Posted by Sennant
Yea because....
“Lying to YOU ARE company” really makes sense.
Just admit You’re wrong on this one.
“Lying to YOU ARE company” really makes sense.
Just admit You’re wrong on this one.
"Uh cuz your a professional pilot hired to do a job and not abuse a system by lieing to your company about your fitness to work."
The first "your" should be you're. You're a professional pilot (as in "YOU ARE").
The second and third "your" are correct. Lying is spelled incorrectly, and "CUZ" isn't a word.
I can't believe that any professional pilot that went to college would have trouble with this.
12-02-2017, 03:42 PM
#5238
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[QUOTE=Sennant;2476370]
Sick leave (or paid sick days or sick pay) is time off from work that workers can use to stay home to address their health and safety needs without losing pay. Paid sick leave is a statutory requirement in many nations.
Nowhere in that definition is using it because it’s nice outside and you would rather tan than do your job.
So what do you say to the guy who's got beaucoup sick time accrued and is retiring in a few months. He's using it all up and calling in for every trip. (not making this up, it's actually happening)
Sick time is under "personal accrued time." They don't need to knowing you're sick or taking time for yourself
Originally Posted by MysteriousMrX
Sick leave (or paid sick days or sick pay) is time off from work that workers can use to stay home to address their health and safety needs without losing pay. Paid sick leave is a statutory requirement in many nations.
Nowhere in that definition is using it because it’s nice outside and you would rather tan than do your job.
Sick time is under "personal accrued time." They don't need to knowing you're sick or taking time for yourself
12-02-2017, 04:39 PM
#5239
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[QUOTE=MysteriousMrX;2476400]
So what do you say to the guy who's got beaucoup sick time accrued and is retiring in a few months. He's using it all up and calling in for every trip. (not making this up, it's actually happening)
Sick time is under "personal accrued time." They don't need to knowing you're sick or taking time for yourself
Sick time is not personal accrued time. There are airliens that do PTO and lump it all in, that's not what we have. Even our contract states sick time is for sick.
Credited flight time for illness, injury or FRC (Fatigue Review
Committee) substantiated fatigue call shall be deducted from the
pilot's sick leave account.
Originally Posted by Sennant
So what do you say to the guy who's got beaucoup sick time accrued and is retiring in a few months. He's using it all up and calling in for every trip. (not making this up, it's actually happening)
Sick time is under "personal accrued time." They don't need to knowing you're sick or taking time for yourself
Credited flight time for illness, injury or FRC (Fatigue Review
Committee) substantiated fatigue call shall be deducted from the
pilot's sick leave account.
12-04-2017, 09:07 AM
#5240
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[QUOTE=Sennant;2476427][QUOTE=MysteriousMrX;2476400]
Sick time is not personal accrued time. There are airliens that do PTO and lump it all in, that's not what we have. Even our contract states sick time is for sick.
Your lack of spelling and care for grammar is appalling, but then your pettiness is even worse. Sick time is time earned. If someone doesn't feel 100% to come in to work, they are not fit for duty. They can and should be able to use their sick time. I can't tell you how many times I've called in sick and then have just been stressed out afterwards that I was going to face some repercussions for it, even though I almost never did. Sick does not necessarily mean throwing up with a 103 degree fever. Pilots are tasked to determine their fitness for duty. We don't get personal time, and while there are people who abuse it, the ridiculous emails from Ian about sick calls need to stop.
Mesa has a staffing problem, but when an email is sent out about how 10 people have called out sick in a single day just from Houston, it's deferring blame on the real issue. 10 pilots is around 2% of the total base. Let's say 20 people call out in a given day, that's roughly 4% of the base. You can't honestly tell me that other airlines don't have a 4% call out rate for one reason or another.
Pilots are human, they have lives, and the fact that Mesa lacks reserve coverage and depends on a 100% attendance rate to fully function as an airline is a lack of proper management. People have limits, whether legal (FAR117) or on a personal basis. Management can scare pilots all they want, but deep down United and American have fully realized this as a staffing problem. Look at Air Wisconsin and Republic operating flights that Mesa used to operate in IAD and Houston. That's not because of pilot sick calls. I have personally called out sick because I hurt my ankle and have received a call from Ian because he thought I was abusing the call. I wasn't coughing or sneezing, but I was not fit to fly. I could barely walk and he threatened me and then accused me of providing a fake doctor's note. The union helped me put a stop to this harassment.
Sick time is not personal accrued time. There are airliens that do PTO and lump it all in, that's not what we have. Even our contract states sick time is for sick.
Your lack of spelling and care for grammar is appalling, but then your pettiness is even worse. Sick time is time earned. If someone doesn't feel 100% to come in to work, they are not fit for duty. They can and should be able to use their sick time. I can't tell you how many times I've called in sick and then have just been stressed out afterwards that I was going to face some repercussions for it, even though I almost never did. Sick does not necessarily mean throwing up with a 103 degree fever. Pilots are tasked to determine their fitness for duty. We don't get personal time, and while there are people who abuse it, the ridiculous emails from Ian about sick calls need to stop.
Mesa has a staffing problem, but when an email is sent out about how 10 people have called out sick in a single day just from Houston, it's deferring blame on the real issue. 10 pilots is around 2% of the total base. Let's say 20 people call out in a given day, that's roughly 4% of the base. You can't honestly tell me that other airlines don't have a 4% call out rate for one reason or another.
Pilots are human, they have lives, and the fact that Mesa lacks reserve coverage and depends on a 100% attendance rate to fully function as an airline is a lack of proper management. People have limits, whether legal (FAR117) or on a personal basis. Management can scare pilots all they want, but deep down United and American have fully realized this as a staffing problem. Look at Air Wisconsin and Republic operating flights that Mesa used to operate in IAD and Houston. That's not because of pilot sick calls. I have personally called out sick because I hurt my ankle and have received a call from Ian because he thought I was abusing the call. I wasn't coughing or sneezing, but I was not fit to fly. I could barely walk and he threatened me and then accused me of providing a fake doctor's note. The union helped me put a stop to this harassment.
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