This is a public forum--anyone can post on this forum freely, regardless of where they work--you seem very, very afraid of the new truth that every other regional is finally, finally paying us what we are actually worth and providing people with a defined pathway to the very legacies whose passengers and shareholders we have taken care of and transported safely/on-time for years and years on end (at a fraction of what they pay their own people).

Your comments lead me to conclude you are either in management, recruiting, or you're so high up the seniority list you're golden-handcuffed to Mesa and don't want to see it fail ever until you hit retirement, which might be soon?

The new reality is that Envoy & PSA are offering vastly better lifetime earnings, comparable upgrades, and insanely higher probability of a flow resulting in 7 figures difference in lifetime earnings--minimum--even factoring in the actuarial math on things like recessions, terrorist attacks, age 67.

I was a cheerleader for this place when our upgrade times relative to compensation elsewhere justified coming here--the landscape has changed, however--and drastically. I.e. new hire FOs at Envoy/PSA making what our junior reserve CAs make (except with a no-interview flow to AA, cheap health insurance, and insanely better travel benefits!).

I personally find it unethical for anyone to attempt to convince anyone to come here vice Envoy/PSA at this juncture. Just my morals. YMMV

 

This. Apparently we've had some Jr. Mesa CA's applying at the WOs. If that doesn't speak volumes to you FOs I don't know what does. Like I said prior, a regional should be your last choice in this hiring environment. Go to job fairs and try like hell to get on somewhere better. But if you find yourself in a rut, consider giving one of the WOs or another regional with good pay a shot.

 

Can only think of 2 very jr. 900 captains who left almost 1-2 years ago. Are you referring to the one jr captain who forged his times for upgrade? That same guy smacked a 900 empennage into a 757 winglet.(caught on film) Apparently this individual went to Piedmont after Mesa downgraded him. Now the other one is still at Piedmont and didn't have any issues that I know of.

 

No, the CAs I'm referring to are guys who have applied in the last week since the announcement.

 

I mean I understand where they are coming from, but it would be wisest to get the 1000 and then move on. Unless you obsessed with flow I would wait at an LCC if you "have to" get out of Mesa.

 

I'm inclined to think that you would make more at PSA or Envoy first year than Frontier. Jr. CA's leaving for WO's? Haha, try 20 year CA's now starting to contemplate it. A mass exodus is about to happen

 

If you really think that getting 1000 hours is the magic ticket to wealth and prosperity you are sadly mistaken.

 

It's not... unless if want to go to Southwest, FDX or UPS. Then they won't even look at you.

 

He was never downgraded, he was given the option to resign. We had 8ish? People upgrade without the required time around that same period, and it was because they projected flight time before they were considered "pic". It wasn't pencil pushing, it just wasn't correct. Don't make up the details just because you only know half of the story.

Also, I wasn't one of them.

 

Exactly. Perhaps those airlines you mentioned aren't your first priority. However if you don't get hired at your first or second choice airlines and your third choice never calls having that 1000 TPIC to qualify for SWA,FDX,UPS is a good strategy for ones next career move.

When I had a chance to leave the regionals for an LCC without 1K TPIC I had those exact same concerns. However I didn't have to make that choice as I wasn't selected. When United came calling and I was still without 1K TPIC I left in a heart beat.