UAV pilot considering move to airlines
01-04-2018, 04:39 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by 155mm
Do you have a source for that data? Are the "attrition rates in training" coming from the Majors hiring "rusty/ not current" pilots? What is the background of the folks getting hired in your statement? Former Regional AQP trained pilots? I doubt the Majors have gotten to the bottom of the barrel that they are hiring "rusty/ not current" pilots! Although I'm sure the Regionals are.
In addition, I'm pretty sure Appendix E and H (ass on fire) training programs had higher failure rates compared to this (LOFT type) AQP paradigm. From my experience, AQP is a much easier program not only for initial but re-currency training as well. AQP is certainly more realistic versus a multiple system failures approach to training until you are so overloaded you either swim or drown. So yes, I disagree, I believe a "rusty, non current pilot" can get through an AQP program especially if they have the experience this OP has but I don't believe a Major will hire him or her at this point, only a Regional.
In addition, I'm pretty sure Appendix E and H (ass on fire) training programs had higher failure rates compared to this (LOFT type) AQP paradigm. From my experience, AQP is a much easier program not only for initial but re-currency training as well. AQP is certainly more realistic versus a multiple system failures approach to training until you are so overloaded you either swim or drown. So yes, I disagree, I believe a "rusty, non current pilot" can get through an AQP program especially if they have the experience this OP has but I don't believe a Major will hire him or her at this point, only a Regional.
The data I have (for only one of the majors) is less than 1% attrition in 15 then it jumped to a little over 2% in 16. I don’t have the numbers for 17. However a majority of failed rides and training extensions were to prior military. I don’t have the exact percentage for that. Last discussion I was privileged to was whether there is a correlation between military hires who were turbine current vs. those whos last hours were in SE piston. Just food for thought.
01-07-2018, 08:42 AM
#32
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Joined APC: Nov 2014
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Originally Posted by TheRoboFighter
The data I have (for only one of the majors) is less than 1% attrition in 15 then it jumped to a little over 2% in 16. I don’t have the numbers for 17. However a majority of failed rides and training extensions were to prior military. I don’t have the exact percentage for that. Last discussion I was privileged to was whether there is a correlation between military hires who were turbine current vs. those whos last hours were in SE piston. Just food for thought.
Rumor is, airlines like Delta have been able to shorten the 4 hour sim block to 3:45 for better optimization although that extra 15 minutes could have been used for training to proficiency and re-evaluation for a small minority. They realize not everyone is going to make the mark with the reduced sim time but apparently the bean counters say its cheaper to give a few pilots a repeat of that entire "stage of training" than to require every pilot to have more sim time.
01-09-2018, 12:04 PM
#34
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Originally Posted by atpcliff
Recently read about a guy out of flying for 20 years. Showed up at the regional cold, and had no problems getting through training...
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