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04-04-2007, 07:09 PM
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With the Air Force doing some major downsizing, I can't see why they'll take a guy with a DUI when there's hundreds of others without one wanting a pilot slot. Plus 4 or 5 years ago on the DUI seems pretty recent to me.
I don't think the Air Force really cares about your civilian ratings or ATP. Undergraduate pilot training is designed for guys with little to no flying experience.
I don't think the Air Force really cares about your civilian ratings or ATP. Undergraduate pilot training is designed for guys with little to no flying experience.
04-05-2007, 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by C17MooseDriver
With the Air Force doing some major downsizing, I can't see why they'll take a guy with a DUI when there's hundreds of others without one wanting a pilot slot. Plus 4 or 5 years ago on the DUI seems pretty recent to me.
I don't think the Air Force really cares about your civilian ratings or ATP. Undergraduate pilot training is designed for guys with little to no flying experience.
I don't think the Air Force really cares about your civilian ratings or ATP. Undergraduate pilot training is designed for guys with little to no flying experience.
04-05-2007, 09:18 AM
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Originally Posted by L'il J.Seinfeld
I used to be an Air Force cop and we busted guys for DUIs all the time at Randolph AFB in the late 90s and a lot of them ended up flying for the majors.
Personally, I'd keep that part of my background on the "down-low" around military pilots. They might not think you were part of the team.
I've never had a dui but I've seen too many guys busted during the two block drive from the club to base housing.
Or had my designated driver dance a jig in the snow, then dragged down to the police station only to blow a zero point zero BAC, while I was locked up in the back of the cruiser.
And don't think that it has NO effect. It used to have less effect but it's pretty much career suicide these days.
But if you're the CEO of US Airways...
04-05-2007, 01:13 PM
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I'll second that about Air Force cops... talk about a bunch of highschool graduate punks that found a way to harass everyone else on base. If they see that blue sticker on the window, they will start making stuff up to find a reason to be up your A**. I know too many good people/pilots that have been abused by those kids...
04-07-2007, 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Triumph
I'll second that about Air Force cops... talk about a bunch of highschool graduate punks that found a way to harass everyone else on base. If they see that blue sticker on the window, they will start making stuff up to find a reason to be up your A**. I know too many good people/pilots that have been abused by those kids...
At least blue stickers will be going away soon.....
04-07-2007, 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by L'il J.Seinfeld
On another note, it's crap that an active duty pilot gets a DUI and his flying career in the civilain world in not affected. In the mil the standard punishment for a DUI is an Art 15 which is non-judicial punishment. It is not on the guys record and the airlines have no way of knowing and they do not ask. I used to be an Air Force cop and we busted guys for DUIs all the time at Randolph AFB in the late 90s and a lot of them ended up flying for the majors.
But a DUI before the military? Forget about it, getting a UPT slot would be impossible. As a Lt I also worked in AFOATS and AFROTC and saw the process first hand.
But a DUI before the military? Forget about it, getting a UPT slot would be impossible. As a Lt I also worked in AFOATS and AFROTC and saw the process first hand.
04-08-2007, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 1Seat 1Engine
So that was you, circling the O'Club on a Friday night?
Personally, I'd keep that part of my background on the "down-low" around military pilots. They might not think you were part of the team.
I've never had a dui but I've seen too many guys busted during the two block drive from the club to base housing.
Or had my designated driver dance a jig in the snow, then dragged down to the police station only to blow a zero point zero BAC, while I was locked up in the back of the cruiser.
And don't think that it has NO effect. It used to have less effect but it's pretty much career suicide these days.
But if you're the CEO of US Airways...
Personally, I'd keep that part of my background on the "down-low" around military pilots. They might not think you were part of the team.
I've never had a dui but I've seen too many guys busted during the two block drive from the club to base housing.
Or had my designated driver dance a jig in the snow, then dragged down to the police station only to blow a zero point zero BAC, while I was locked up in the back of the cruiser.
And don't think that it has NO effect. It used to have less effect but it's pretty much career suicide these days.
But if you're the CEO of US Airways...
How true!!! Skycops are always itching to get someone. A bud of a bud decided not to drive and walked the 2-3 blocks back from an assignment night, only to be picked up by the cops of public intox. Same team, right guys?
Not to mention they are the the ones stealing sh!t from all over base a night! Or the classic, Skycop off duty comes through the gate wasted and instead of getting a DUI, he/she gets a ride home! To add to the orginal question. I know a guy in UPT for a guard fighter unit with a DUI. It doesn't help but it's not impossible. As far as the civilian route, it isn't a career killer but again it doesn't help.
04-12-2007, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by 1Seat 1Engine
So that was you, circling the O'Club on a Friday night?
Personally, I'd keep that part of my background on the "down-low" around military pilots. They might not think you were part of the team.
I've never had a dui but I've seen too many guys busted during the two block drive from the club to base housing.
Or had my designated driver dance a jig in the snow, then dragged down to the police station only to blow a zero point zero BAC, while I was locked up in the back of the cruiser.
And don't think that it has NO effect. It used to have less effect but it's pretty much career suicide these days.
But if you're the CEO of US Airways...
Personally, I'd keep that part of my background on the "down-low" around military pilots. They might not think you were part of the team.
I've never had a dui but I've seen too many guys busted during the two block drive from the club to base housing.
Or had my designated driver dance a jig in the snow, then dragged down to the police station only to blow a zero point zero BAC, while I was locked up in the back of the cruiser.
And don't think that it has NO effect. It used to have less effect but it's pretty much career suicide these days.
But if you're the CEO of US Airways...
However, anyone who was over the limit and got in their car to drive 2 blocks home was wrong. How can you defend that?
I had a case where an airman called me to come help him bust an O-4 for DUI. When I showed up the major was asleep in the backseat in a parking lot. The SNCO I was with wanted to bust the guy as well. I talked them out of it. Turns out the guy was drunk, but was waiting for his ride home to show up. The guy that showed up was his DO, so I was able to keep it out of the Police Blotter as well. My point is that Air Force cops have nothing to do on a stateside base, especially prior to 9/11. They are all itching to bust anyone for anything.
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