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04-23-2007, 03:55 PM
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I've never heard of anyone in the USAF getting court-martialed for a DUI alone. (Throw in an accident, leaving the scene yes, but not just a DUI alone.) I am glad that commanders can use their discretion. Sounds as if Tarheels commanders wanted to whack him, but not cripple him for the rest of his life. A Court martial would have given him a federal conviction and made him a felon. There are no federal misdemeanors. You'd never get an airline job with a felony on your record--although I'm sure someone at some point has gotten hired somewhere with one.
I would never advocate being evasive in a job interview. But Tarheel was not convicted of a DUI. He should answer truthfully and explain himself. At the same time though he needs to make the interviewer realize that he was not convicted of a DUI and his commanders allowed him to continue his career with his record unscathed.
Originally Posted by L'il J.Seinfeld
That's why I was always frustrated when I saw USAF pilots get Art 15s for DUI. Given the same circumstances a civilian could lose his ticket and have a DUI on his record, while the mil pilot gets an Art 15 which doesn't mean anything outside of the military. QUOTE]
So what if it gets handled administratively? It's not like the WG/CC is overly concerned with the guy's civilian prospects. Or concerned at all. His focus is on good order and discipline inside the military and he shouldn't care about how it'll play at an airline interview. Same goes for comparing military pilots to civilian pilots. There's no "ticket" for the leadership to worry about. "Sorry, Capt, but since Joe Schmoe at the FBO would lose his ticket for this, I'm taking your wings." Although many DUI cases aren't handled very consistently in the military, most punishments I saw fit the crime. Guys got Art 15's when they deserved them, court-martialed when the DUI offense was especially bad. Either way, I can't say I ever got "frustrated" when I saw another pilot get an Art 15 instead of losing his wings. I was usually thankful that noone got hurt and that the pilot in question had some sort of chance of recovering from the DUI. Why would it bother you one way or the other?
So what if it gets handled administratively? It's not like the WG/CC is overly concerned with the guy's civilian prospects. Or concerned at all. His focus is on good order and discipline inside the military and he shouldn't care about how it'll play at an airline interview. Same goes for comparing military pilots to civilian pilots. There's no "ticket" for the leadership to worry about. "Sorry, Capt, but since Joe Schmoe at the FBO would lose his ticket for this, I'm taking your wings." Although many DUI cases aren't handled very consistently in the military, most punishments I saw fit the crime. Guys got Art 15's when they deserved them, court-martialed when the DUI offense was especially bad. Either way, I can't say I ever got "frustrated" when I saw another pilot get an Art 15 instead of losing his wings. I was usually thankful that noone got hurt and that the pilot in question had some sort of chance of recovering from the DUI. Why would it bother you one way or the other?
I've never heard of anyone in the USAF getting court-martialed for a DUI alone. (Throw in an accident, leaving the scene yes, but not just a DUI alone.) I am glad that commanders can use their discretion. Sounds as if Tarheels commanders wanted to whack him, but not cripple him for the rest of his life. A Court martial would have given him a federal conviction and made him a felon. There are no federal misdemeanors. You'd never get an airline job with a felony on your record--although I'm sure someone at some point has gotten hired somewhere with one.
I would never advocate being evasive in a job interview. But Tarheel was not convicted of a DUI. He should answer truthfully and explain himself. At the same time though he needs to make the interviewer realize that he was not convicted of a DUI and his commanders allowed him to continue his career with his record unscathed.
04-23-2007, 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Herkdrv
Actually with a really good lawyer a civilian DUI could disappear. Military justice may just follow you for the rest of your life. Who knows I don't claim to be an expert all I know is that if you get caught lying, or being evasive through an interview it would not look good to the interviewer.
For some reason it bothers me that Tarheel thinks of himself as having a DUI on his record. It is none of my business what he does, but there are degrees of the right way to handle this. Admitting full responsibility and admitting to a DUI is the wrong way IMO because it isn't the truth. The truth is some Commander, who was probably a pilot, decided that whatever he did was not worth going to court over.
04-23-2007, 08:15 PM
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L'il J, You've inspired me to do a little more research before I start “confessing” on my applications. I'm still cautious about giving the airlines the entire story. I get that you are not saying to lie, but that I have nothing to lie about... It's just such a change from what I (until now) believed to be true. I plan on scheduling an appointment with the JAG to clarify all this.
I can't think of a worse situation than if I got picked up a major and then lost my position because of what they perceive to be lying or covering up.
Thanks to all for the encouraging words and advice. I'll keep you posted on what happens next.
I can't think of a worse situation than if I got picked up a major and then lost my position because of what they perceive to be lying or covering up.
Thanks to all for the encouraging words and advice. I'll keep you posted on what happens next.
04-23-2007, 09:02 PM
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Tarheel--One more piece of unsolicited advice. I'd keep the dirty laundry private for a while. Imagine if you and a bud interview and you get hired but he does not. If you go gushing about how thankful you are because of your history than you may be giving people some reason to be jealeous and "rat" you out. I'd also remove any identifying info from your APC account, but that's just me. Good luck.
PS Talk to an ADC or a JAG that has been an ADC.
PS Talk to an ADC or a JAG that has been an ADC.
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