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05-10-2009, 03:19 PM

#111

MoosePileit

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What's similar to the last Class A, same MWS, same ICAO? Late transfer of A/C control to the IP. IPs and A/Cs- if you take it, especially close in- please don't solo it. Keep the crew w/ you.

05-10-2009, 04:26 PM

#112

Herkdrv

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I wonder why the removed their NVG's prior to landing. Can you guys land with them on?

05-10-2009, 04:59 PM

#113

jetlaggy

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Herkdrv

I wonder why the removed their NVG's prior to landing. Can you guys land with them on?

Yes but they get washed out if the airfield lights are on

05-10-2009, 05:32 PM

#114

iceman49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rickair7777

Is it easy to disable the gear warning system? It says they did that by mistake.

Also curious, why would the gear warning be disabled...any C17 drivers, do you get the horn with the gear up and thrust at idle? The 141 had a horn cutout switch for partial flap landings...worked well untill a gear up landing at AMA.

05-11-2009, 07:17 PM

#115

XL 0901

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rickair7777

Is it easy to disable the gear warning system? It says they did that by mistake.

Physically easy (uncomplicated)?...yes
GPWS and TAWS aural alert disable functions are opposite LSKs of the same MCD menu.

Quote:

Originally Posted by iceman49

The C-17 gear warning horn isn't linked to throttle position like most planes. It's based on radar alt and flap position. If the GPWS is OFF, no warning horn, no light in the handle.

05-11-2009, 07:27 PM

#116

iceman49

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So is the turning off of the warning horn via the GPWS a common occurance, if so why...or because of the location of the LSK on the MCD is it a common mistake...not trying to shoot at any one, just asking.

05-11-2009, 07:58 PM

#117

XL 0901

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Quote:

Originally Posted by iceman49

I guess I should call it more of a configuration annunciation rather than a gear warning horn. "Too low flaps, too low gear, sink rate etc..." Not a buzzer or beeping like most.

Evading a direct answer the best I can, it can be commonplace to disable the TAWS aural alerts if they are causing too many nuisance warnings. (i.e multiple terrain warnings when on glide path) Can't speak to the GPWS...for lack of speculation, I'll stick with the report

05-12-2009, 11:24 AM

#118

Philly

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Quote:

Originally Posted by iceman49

The toggle on the GPWS goes from NORM, to TACTICAL, to OFF. LSK Toggling to TACTICAL is necessary because the jet flies low-level routes(300ft) or steep apps where a GPWS would go crazy without some buffering for configuration, terrain prox, etc.

05-12-2009, 01:47 PM

#119

C-17 Driver

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Quote:

Originally Posted by iceman49

No, it is not a common occurrence. These guys screwed up. Period. There is no excuse for landing gear up. Period.

05-13-2009, 03:36 AM

#120

liftr92

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One excuse - combat ops - I know that location isnt very combatish and everyone goes there - but a young crew can feel the pressures. Besides it would be very unPC to take someones wings so I bet these folks get a walk. Any thoughts?