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05-22-2010 | 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dbtownley

PIC time equals who's a$$ is on the line for a mishap. Who signed the book for the plane. You can be a PIC and be sleeping in the back. Just make sure that you have accurate records to back up your time.

In the Air Force (Air Mobility Command), Command can be exchanged between qualified Aircraft Commanders in flight, regardless of who signed for the jet.

05-23-2010 | 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Diesel1030

Thanks for all the advice! Looks like I have been doing exactly what you guys have been spelling out. I may be a bit more conservative..I have just used 80% of my PRI time. Most guys I talked to have used 90% . Of course Other time has been totally thrown out. I'm going to work on printing out a nice product to show where my hours came etc. I don't have a log book..just planning on using SARM's product.

Have the product ready in case they ask for it. Just give them the one page of your Flying History report. In three interviews, I had zero questions about flight hours. However, as everyone surely agrees, be prepared to justify it without any stammering or hemming and hawing.

Good luck.
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05-23-2010 | 06:25 AM

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I can second C17Ds comments. I gave HR my official SARMs product (the Flying History Report), but had an easy-to-read excel spreadsheet handy in my briefcase. Not one HR person ever asked me for an explanation of my flying time.

05-23-2010 | 10:45 AM

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Thanks for your guys advice! It's been very helpful! I have my explanation sheet ready to roll. Now on to the more important part..waiting to get a call.

05-23-2010 | 04:06 PM

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How do you determine your Dual/Student time from UPT for airline apps? I had 281 student hours total according to SARMs, do I log all of that or just guess how much of that was T-6, T-1 and T-1 other time?

05-23-2010 | 06:41 PM

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Navy guy here, no idea about USAF flight time definitions ("Other" time?). But be careful about student time. Most airlines won't allow you to count flight time as PIC time in an aircraft you have not been "checked out" in (for USN, it's a NATOPS check). So, as a student, even during solo flights, none of it (in most cases) counts as PIC time. I always thought the student solo things was odd - if I'm in the jet all by my lonesome and I'm not the PIC, who is...? But, had not had a NATOPS check in the jet so it did not count as PIC time in the eyes of the airline app Nazis.

Old info from my airline app filling out days in the late 90's. YMMV.

05-23-2010 | 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Mink

Maybe I had hear that from before - but I didn't count any of that SNA time as PIC either; but like you - if I signed for the plane and was the only one in the plane - what other time could it be?

My memory is going bad and/or it has just been too long in any case - but I didn't even remember that we didn't get NATOPS checks in those aircraft - just instrument checks.

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05-24-2010 | 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by bat21

When you graduated UPT, you should have received a synopsis of your student time; a one page document with totals. Look through your Flight Record in SARMs ... a copy may be there. Otherwise, ask your SARMs personnel if they can retrieve it. Mine showed T-34 and T-1 totals.

The Navy was awesome in that they make you keep a regular handwritten book log of your time. The USAF, not so much.

I counted my UPT time as just student time; no PIC or SIC. You could probably get away with the T-1 being counted as SIC time since the aircraft has a type rating. However, I did include student time into my totals for turbo-prop and multi-engine turbine.

I hope this helps. If you have any specific questions, don't hesitate to ask. Many of us have been in your shoes. You can also private message me.

05-24-2010 | 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy

The Navy was awesome in that they make you keep a regular handwritten book log of your time.

Well, yes and no. We had (I have 4 of them on my shelf) written log books, but in most squadrons they were maintained by somebody called the Ops Yeoman, i.e., the Admin enlisted person that had no flying experience and was "loaned" to the Ops Department from the Admin Department to do paperwork chores. These folks did their best at filling out log books, but with no clue about PIC, SIC, actual instrument, etc., log books tended to get screwed up. I maintained my own after a while, and spent many hours prior to going into airline interviews cleaning up all the errors from years past.

If it's still done that way in USN squadrons, and you're a Naval Aviator looking to move on to the airline world at some point, you might want to get your log book and maintain it yourself.