Any of you all heard that the idea of active flyers doing 179+ non-flying deployments going away. Thought is that by the time a flyer gets to within one month of the deployment he/she stops flying, then 6+ months deployed, followed by at least 1 if not 2 months non-flying once he/she gets back ...you're talking losing a flyer for 9+months. Non-qualified at that point and a pain in the back side to get back up to speed, not to mention the cost. If you haven't heard, spread it around!! I personnaly don't buy into the BS about needing continuity in most of those jobs at deployed locations. I know there are a few that require it, but most if not all of us could pick it up in a week of handoff and 120 days later pass it off to the next guy. Just my opinion. Would ease some of the pain.

 

I hit 20+ as a traditional reservist, not through the rated recall program so your mileage may vary.
After I hit 18 yrs, initially I could only get orders for 179 days and had to fill out a sanctuary waiver (as spelled out in the regs, but ever changing format and stipulations). Just before I hit 20 AD, they let you do a couple of 179 sanctuary waivers at a time.
I got to 20 and then continued to string sets of orders together which got me to 3 yrs TIG and I retired 1 Sep 10. The 3 yrs TIG was important for me, as I enlisted in Feb 1980 until the Final Pay system. Had I not gotten 3 yrs TIG, I would have been collecting O-4 retirement pay rather than O-5.
The magic number to reach is 7305 AD days on your PCARS; they count leap years in the 20 yr calculation. Also, after reaching 20, your IDTs and other non-AD points count toward retirement pay. In my case, I had ~21 1/2 yrs AD but am getting paid for 23 yrs 4 mos due to all of my drill points.

DO NOT invoke sanctuary unless you have to. The reason for this is once YOU invoke sanctuary, you will get to 20 but no further. If you decide you want to stay in past 20, you can't if you invoke sanctuary.
I would take any extension into sanctuary that I could and then wait and see what happens after that; if they want to end your orders and things don't look good, then I'd invoke sanctuary. But I wouldn't push that button unless I had to.

 

Andy to clarify your statement:

'The magic number to reach is 7305 AD days on your PCARS; they count leap years in the 20 yr calculation. Also, after reaching 20, your IDTs and other non-AD points count toward retirement pay. In my case, I had ~21 1/2 yrs AD but am getting paid for 23 yrs 4 mos due to all of my drill points.'

So once you hit your 20 years AD retirement with the 7305 points not twenty solid guard/reserve years, the MAN credits you with your IDTs and other non-AD points toward retirement?

 

I assume that you don't have a question on 7305, but for anyone who does, the math is 365x20 + 5 (5 leap years in 20 years) = 7305. Those must be in the AD column in your PCARS in order to get an AD retirement.
To answer your question, suppose you have 7670 AD points (21.0 AD years) and 547 IDTs/non-AD points. You would add the 547 pts (1.5 yrs) to the 21 and get a retirement based on 22.5 years of active duty service.
The caveat is that anything over 365/366(leap years) doesn't count toward retirement. Example: you're on orders for a full FY so you get 365 AD points + 20 participation pts. Unfortunately, the 20 participation pts don't count toward retirement because it is greater than 365.
There are a couple of pubs out there that explain this; I did a google search long ago to find out about that. In my case, I was in the Guard/Reserve 1999-2010 and although I worked several years with 365 AD points (so no participation credit), I had been a traditional Guardsman 1999-2003 and got a ton of AFTPs during that time. My inactive duty points ended up being worth almost 2 years of additional AD credit.
Hopefully that makes it a bit clearer; let me know if you need more granularity.

 

Just reviving this thread to see if any of you out there have had any luck extending for the additional year? I'm coming up on 1 year left and am trying to see if it is even worth thinking about. Also, for any of you that have done it, who did you talk to? Is somebody even manning the recall ops office now? Thanks for any info!
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I submitted the paperwork to my SQ/CC two weeks ago, but have been on leave since, so I don´t know the status.

As others have written, the general feel from the recall-ops folks is that fighter guys in fighter billets are a shoe-in, others, not so much. (Yes, the office is manned, same folks as a year ago).

I´m trying the angle of "I´m an (old) fighter guy in a billet that requires a fighter or bomber background." If I get SQ/CC and/or WG/CC support, I might have a chance (They both know I am the high-sortie producer on-station).

Recall folks said you can always try again.

 

I sent my extension paperwork in on 13 Jul to AFPC, still no word.

 

Thanks guys. Just trying to get a feel for it. I'm a bomber guy in a nuke critical bomber billet so maybe that will help??? I guess we'll see...

 

We've already had a few guys in USAFE have their extensions approved. They're all fighter guys (pilots or WSOs) in fighter billets. Not to say others don't have a chance. Recall shop is still open with the same folks. Just so happens I'll be talking to them this week, so I'll see if there's any updates they can give me.

 

Thanks Kikuchiyo. Any words you can get from them would be greatly appreciated.