USAF limited period rated officer recall prog
10-03-2011 | 10:25 PM
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Did folks entering the above program have to sign sanctuary waivers? I was speaking with my IMA Program Manager last week and he said this is a current practice. To prevent folks from invoking the sanctuary option on that first day of AD after the 18yr point.
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10-05-2011 | 07:08 PM
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I'll second Super Galaxy’s remark to Kikuchiyo, thanks for the excellent info! It's comforting to know others are in the same boat. I'm trying to fill a Non-Vol. position our unit has been tasked to fill, but have been told no due my established DOS of 2 Aug 2012 (3 year point). I'm one of those unfortunate overmanned mobility guys (hollow paper air force; most of our dudes are tasked on extended TDY's). Kikuchiyo, do you have any insight if they can extend tours past the four year point? If so how long? Could it be matched up with the Non-Vol. tour we have been tasked? Thanks for your time!
10-05-2011 | 09:37 PM
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There was supposed to be a statement on their EAD orders to the effect that sanctuary would not be denied. I don't know if that made it onto everyone's orders. AFPC and HAF are granting it automatically. Remember, these guys came back on AD in 2009/2010, before the overmanning crisis we're in now.
10-05-2011 | 09:47 PM
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(can they) extend tours past the four year point?
Could it be matched up with the Non-Vol. tour we have been tasked?
I'm curious about said "non-vol tour." Do you mean a normal 179 deployment, or something longer? If it's a 365 iTDY or a remote, then it should have come to your unit with a name attached.
10-06-2011 | 08:59 AM
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Not for mobility guys. They simply can't justify extending mobility guys given that the community as a whole is over 140% manned, and we're throwing other guys out to get down to our total AF end-strength. The rated manning guys at HAF can't win that fight with the manpower and money guys, and the higher ups can't justify it politically to SAF, SecDef, Congress, etc.
Wow, really? How'd that happen? For years we were always [told] we were undermanned in the 17. And based on Ops tempo, it sure seemed like it.
10-06-2011 | 10:56 AM
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Correction to previous. Mobility manning is only about 130% right now. Projected to exceed 140% in a couple years. And yes, they did account for increased airline hiring. Though we'll see how accurate their projections are
Sorry for the inaccurate data in the post.
Sorry for the inaccurate data in the post.
10-06-2011 | 11:52 AM
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Once you enter sanctuary, even on the first day, you declare your right to extend until the 20-yr point. What they can do is send you wherever they want to, big blue owns you at that point (i.e. there is no obligation to honor any prior LPRP promises). What they will do depends on how long you have until 20 and what you are currently doing and where you currently are; that part takes a crystal ball. I don't think the USAF has a habit of purposefully slamming guys just because they made it to sanctuary.
10-06-2011 | 08:19 PM
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Sanctuary is not automatic, it must be invoked by the member. There is no prohibition to a member's orders ending whenever the term is over no matter how many years of service have been accrued. If the member lets the orders end voluntarily without taking advantage of sanctuary protection, it's too late. That being said, there is no advantage to invoking sanctuary early because you are exposing yourself to the AF discretion earlier than necessary.
10-07-2011 | 08:53 PM
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You're welcome. It's nice to know that I can help.
No, 4 yrs is the max that the program was established for. I don't know if that's a statutory limit, but that's as far as HAF has authority to extend us under the LPRP or RRORP. Sanctuary is a separate statutory entitlement.
Not for mobility guys. They simply can't justify extending mobility guys given that the community as a whole is over 140% manned, and we're throwing other guys out to get down to our total AF end-strength. The rated manning guys at HAF can't win that fight with the manpower and money guys, and the higher ups can't justify it politically to SAF, SecDef, Congress, etc.
I'm curious about said "non-vol tour." Do you mean a normal 179 deployment, or something longer? If it's a 365 iTDY or a remote, then it should have come to your unit with a name attached.
No, 4 yrs is the max that the program was established for. I don't know if that's a statutory limit, but that's as far as HAF has authority to extend us under the LPRP or RRORP. Sanctuary is a separate statutory entitlement.
Not for mobility guys. They simply can't justify extending mobility guys given that the community as a whole is over 140% manned, and we're throwing other guys out to get down to our total AF end-strength. The rated manning guys at HAF can't win that fight with the manpower and money guys, and the higher ups can't justify it politically to SAF, SecDef, Congress, etc.
I'm curious about said "non-vol tour." Do you mean a normal 179 deployment, or something longer? If it's a 365 iTDY or a remote, then it should have come to your unit with a name attached.
It was a 3-4 year PCS to be an Active Duty Liaison with a nearby guard unit, flying the same jet. I was in the guard for five years and would have been a pretty good fit for the job in my humble opinion. Nobody wants the job because they think it's a promotion killer. I'll pin on terminal Lt Col here soon so I'm not bothered. Again thanks for the good scoop. I'll just have to wait until the next round of recalls in two years.
10-08-2011 | 07:13 AM
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I know I'm beating a dead horse that's off topic but...why stop now.
I'm not getting it, from the outside it appears the only way manning can increase is airframe reduction or accession. Are we cutting mobility airframes in the next few years? I know there are problems with cutting accessions, though that doesn't appear to have ever stopped AFPC.
What's causing the manning increase, and if it's in the future why can't it be stopped?
I'm not trying to be argumentative, I just feel like I'm missing something.
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