flyn2001

"Please do not do this. It's a waste of time."

"Two"

130drvr

all I meant by transferring it over was to take the times from the ARMs products and relog them exactly in a civilian logbook, weeding out the other time, NVG time etc. Not including any taxi multiplier.

And for a 80% or 90% PIC time rule, of course I meant after upgrade.

Marvin

"Three"

There are too many variables in how airlines look at military time ... but they all consider it valuable, and they are all used to looking at military flying time printouts.

I was hired at both Majors I interviewed with -- they looked at the numbers I gave them, but never actually looked at my logbooks. If they had looked, everything would have been in order -- but they did not look.

Pancake

My log book contains about 100 152/172 hours, that's it. I have just over 1500 PIC hours, all military and documented by ARMS printouts. I don't understand how I get my Cessna hours "in order." Besides making sure all the times add up correctly, what else do I need to do? And if it's really jacked up, do I get a new log book and start over or do I use white-out? Do the airlines really care about single-engine Cessna time? It seems to me they'd be more interested in my military time, knowing that no matter how much non-military time I have, I am a standardized AETC/ACC product.

Adlerdriver

If you're including those hours in your totals, then you need to have a log book with them in it. It's probably a lot of dual received, some student solo and maybe a little PIC. Since PIC turbine is the big deal, I don't think those recip hours are going to matter much one way or the other. Those hours will only go in your total time, most likely. I wouldn't try to pretend they don't exist, but I wouldn't waste too much time doctoring them up.

How "jacked up" can 100 hours of single engine recip time be? What did you do, log them in crayon?

You could start a new book and re-copy, but make sure you don't try to pass that new book off as the original. They all have copyright dates. If you have flights from the 1990's in a book with a 2011 copyright, you're going to get shown the door if you try to tell them it's an original.

If you have instructor's/evaluator's endorsements in your original, I'd try to clean it up and stick with that one, if possible.

USMCFLYR

I "cleaned up" my civilian logbook by transfering it to an electronic logbook but kept the original of ocurse for the 'proof' and the edorsements. I seriously doubt that the airline is going to care much about your 100 hrs of Cessna time vice your military hours; but it is all there IN CASE they do.

USMCFLYR

LowSlowT2

I left all my PPL time out - I have about 60 C152/172 hours and maybe 150 Mooney M20C hours. I left all of it out. I don't think those 200 hours are going to make or break me either way...

Hacker15e

The instructor sitting in the back seat of the student's aircraft.

USMCFLYR

Concur.
And I imagining that if that student was solo, then the IP in the lead aircraft wrote the grade sheet correct?
If so....exact same practice in my experience.

USMCFLYR

flyn2001

AFI11-401 Aviation Management:

3.3.3.2. Two instructors (to include FTU) of the same specialty may fly together and each log instructor time; however, total instructor time logged may not exceed total flight time logged. (e.g., A new FTU instructor is flying with a student crew and a more experienced FTU instructor flies with the new FTU instructor; instruction can occur between the new FTU instructor and student or between the experienced FTU instructor and new instructor, but not both simultaneously. Therefore, the total instructor time logged may not exceed total flight time.).

So...when we fly a 2.0 CT w/ another IP, we split the time

Me: IP 1.0 Pri 1.0
Them: IP 1.0 Pri 1.0

3.3.3.4. Instructors will log primary, secondary, or other time, depending on their activity, when not performing instructor duties.

3.3.1.2. For pilots, primary time is time actively controlling the aircraft, excluding hands-on-time flown while instructing and evaluating (log such time under instructor or evaluator). It is not predicated on which set of controls is being used (multi-place aircraft), or on the duty position indicated on the flight authorization. Pilots receiving instruction while controlling the aircraft will log primary time.

We conform to this paragraph, because we offer instruction to the other pilot, while they are flying. It does not require that the other crewmember be a student or upgrading pilot to log Pri time.

For the example above, if I signed for that aircraft, I'm going to log 1.0 IP and 2.0 PIC in my books!

These are the regs....I don't make this stuff up! My SARMS are all extremely experienced civilians. I brought up the topic to them today, and they pointed these paragraphs out.