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Old 11-22-2018 | 01:53 PM
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so with the new TA, the FO year 1 base pay don't change? Just overtime pay above 12.1 hrs? Still $76K for the 72-Days schedule?
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Old 11-22-2018 | 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by cf105
so with the new TA, the FO year 1 base pay don't change? Just overtime pay above 12.1 hrs? Still $76K for the 72-Days schedule?
Base wages are the same -- changes were to soft money only.

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Old 11-22-2018 | 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Retractable
Compare your W2 this year with nexts after working the same schedule.

Then you can make that statement.
Base wages haven’t increased but soft money has?!?! This pay raise is essentially riding on the hope that management will continue to be incompetent with regard to everything they do including scheduling. I’m willing to bet they will figure out the scheduling and QOL on the road pretty quickly. At least it’s QOL or a few more $’s which is One step In the right direction with an extension to top it off ��
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Old 11-22-2018 | 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by av8trinabarrel
Base wages haven’t increased but soft money has?!?! This pay raise is essentially riding on the hope that management will continue to be incompetent with regard to everything they do including scheduling. I’m willing to bet they will figure out the scheduling and QOL on the road pretty quickly. At least it’s QOL or a few more $’s which is One step In the right direction with an extension to top it off ��
No. The soft money increase is riding on the hope that the insane amount of fatigue calls dwindle so that they can pay less money for sell offs and fatigue calls, and money hooker crews will continue to fly tired and beaten for the extra pay, which will absolutely happen. Genius move by the company to reduce fatigue calls and reducing the reliance on sell offs.

This will end up further shrinking the company if anything. If you can move more owners by reducing recoveries and fatigue calls, the less airframes and pilots you need.
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Old 11-22-2018 | 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by cf105
so with the new TA, the FO year 1 base pay don't change? Just overtime pay above 12.1 hrs? Still $76K for the 72-Days schedule?
The COLA adjustments to the pay scales starts at the end of this year, so just under 78K CC72 FO year 1. Over the term of the TA it will adjust to 93K.
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Old 11-23-2018 | 12:42 PM
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The COLA adjustments to the pay scales starts at the end of this year, so just under 78K CC72 FO year 1. Over the term of the TA it will adjust to 93K.

Looks like they are predicting an addition $14-16K this year in soft pay? Plus per diem of about $14000 in Per Diem on CC72. Per diem seems to count more here as you get free meals?

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Old 11-23-2018 | 03:52 PM
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Looks like they are predicting an addition $14-16K this year in soft pay? Plus per diem of about $14000 in Per Diem on CC72. Per diem seems to count more here as you get free meals?
Please slap the idiot/s who said that.
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Old 11-23-2018 | 05:09 PM
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Per Diem is NOT income. It should never be treated as such nor should it ever be included in serious discussions about wages.

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Old 11-23-2018 | 06:43 PM
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Per Diem is NOT income. It should never be treated as such nor should it ever be included in serious discussions about wages.

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I get the argument that per diem isn't incomer per the IRS standards, rather a sum paid to cover travel, lodging, and meals. However, in the real world where logic and common sense seems to rule at least in most aspects of life, If money is coming in that requires you to GO TO WORK and do your job and spend NOTHING to get it, therefore that is income no matter which way you slice it. I rarely spend money on the road. Maybe 20 to 30 a cycle. I don't drink on the road. Just not what I choose to do. Secondly, If you don't go to work, you do not get PAID per diem. It doesn't magically show up, right? Just because the IRS says it's a non taxable item, it is still classified as non taxable event which translates to INCOME!!!!!!!!!! It doesn't qualify towards 'earned income' credits ot status and has zero liabilities or contingencies with regards to limits either.

NJA and FLX both provide 3 squares a day. 2 catered meals and one sit down or whichever order you choose at FLX. So long as you go to work, you get your 16 days a month per diem just for showing up. Work over 16, you get additional. It's that simple. If it isn't income, do you tell them you'd rather not have it as it's not 'real' income. I see both sides of the coin. At the end of the month, do you treat your money differently because it isn't 'real' income. Do they not spend the same?
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Old 11-23-2018 | 07:08 PM
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I get the argument that per diem isn't incomer per the IRS standards, rather a sum paid to cover travel, lodging, and meals. However, in the real world where logic and common sense seems to rule at least in most aspects of life, If money is coming in that requires you to GO TO WORK and do your job and spend NOTHING to get it, therefore that is income no matter which way you slice it. I rarely spend money on the road. Maybe 20 to 30 a cycle. I don't drink on the road. Just not what I choose to do. Secondly, If you don't go to work, you do not get PAID per diem. It doesn't magically show up, right? Just because the IRS says it's a non taxable item, it is still classified as non taxable event which translates to INCOME!!!!!!!!!! It doesn't qualify towards 'earned income' credits ot status and has zero liabilities or contingencies with regards to limits either.

NJA and FLX both provide 3 squares a day. 2 catered meals and one sit down or whichever order you choose at FLX. So long as you go to work, you get your 16 days a month per diem just for showing up. Work over 16, you get additional. It's that simple. If it isn't income, do you tell them you'd rather not have it as it's not 'real' income. I see both sides of the coin. At the end of the month, do you treat your money differently because it isn't 'real' income. Do they not spend the same?
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