frmrdashtrash

I cannot and will not get into specifics here, but this post is inaccurate.
The events leading up to the 2005, 2015 and the accidental CEO's departure are good examples of what happens when this pilot group has had enough. Of course those are Section 6 examples, but there is nothing to prohibit the pilot group from using legal means to convince the company that it's time to come to the table. Your offer to help do exactly that is appreciated.

MinRest

FDP was absolutely managements move to increase productivity without fixing real scheduling issues and having to hire more pilots. 100%

I agree with that, but I don't know that I position it from the standpoint of the union holding all the ace cards. Handsel was a dire mistake by WB which drove pilot moral to an all time low, which was an awesome win for the union. Hell, that moron did the unions work for them in some ways lol. I remember how battered the pilot group was because I was a new hire on the tail end of his tenure. I may be wrong, but I would say 2005 was the last time management truly worked to improve work group moral. Everything after that has been a grind and now with the company being able to extend status quo, I would say the union is all but powerless. Only thing that will change it, is owner opinion of the company and that was a big factor in 2015. If metal stops moving or selling, management perks its ears.

I hope the pickets draw lots of attention and you guys get what you deserve.

MinRest

If you don't know the difference between section 6 negotiations, and what you are doing right now, then you can't even be a part of this conversation.

Das Auto

B.S. statement. I have never seen or heard of anyone not calling fatigue or writing up an airplane due to fear of missing out on FFP.
Since you left there are only adults working here now who are professional enough to make the right call, regardless of how it will impact their paycheck.

Starbucks

Can you just go away? I can't imagine perusing the boards and making comments about places I left years ago. Seriously. WTF?

MinRest

Yea ok lol. You didn't work at NJA pre FDP.

There is a defining measurement of fatigue calls pre FDP and post FDP. Are you saying that the pilot group pre FDP is unprofessional?

MinRest

I can't imagine being triggered by somebody posting on a message board, so touché'.

frmrdashtrash

Your FDP statement is again inaccurate, and also again not something I'm going to hash out on a public message board,

I'm not claiming the pilot group has all the ace cards. Management could very will decide it's better to explain to their powers that be why there are picket lines, empty seats in classes, airplanes parked and all the other fun that goes along with it rather than negotiate.

GeeWizDriver

Look forward to it. Not sure which airports yet.

jtf560

FDP encouraged pilots to give a $h!+. Once they cared, they managed their rest better due to the financial incentive to turn off the movie or game when it was time to sleep to get solid rest. Getting more money incentived those that didn't care anymore to stop letting the train wrecks happen when they could see them coming. It didn't take many more caring to seriously enhance schedule stability which in itself further enhanced the ability to have longer overnights with less recoveries needed. Maintenance was also greatly enhanced with the service hub system that some posters here never saw or experienced. Better maintenance also helped the stability which fed the better rest which fed the efficiency which fed more and more money to the pilots. That said, management took the efficiency to the limits once revenge travel came in the summer of '21 and stopped solving the issues with crew food and now trying to get away with more and more substandard hotels. Management also stopped letting crews suggest better show times for fatigue mitigation purposes- avoiding the train wrecks. They stopped taking most airline requests and keep pilots later and later on their last day. This just helps build more unity. Now fatigue calls are up since scheduling won't work with us to solve poor scheduling issues. The masses are angry and burning out and things are coming to a head.

The masses have told the union to go aggressive and that is what is happening. Embarrassing management and their bosses, trainwrecks from bad scheduling and angry pilots stopping their goodwill, airplanes parked to get food when it doesn't show, and a bunch of angry pilots who stop referring more pilots (75%+ of new pilots are here from referrals of current pilots) will all heap on massive pressure. The owners are already paying way more and they will add the most pressure when their shiny new airplanes aren't moving when they want them to. This group will do what they need to, regardless of whether or not we are in section 6. They don't have to give us anything, just like the airlines could have strung out negotiations (and many still are), but eventually the pressure builds enough to get paid. If it takes longer, they will see a much faster exodus. The ball is in our court now. Finally.