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Old 08-06-2022, 07:34 PM
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Are humans having an effect? Dunno.
Excellent response!

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Old 08-06-2022, 07:51 PM
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Will you open your mind long enough to watch a Prager U vid featuring an OBAMA Administration pooh bah?

Climate changing? Yes. Overblown? Absolutely.
Remember the hole in the ozone layer back in the 80's? Yeah, it was actually Margret Thatcher, then Prime Minister of the U.K. who was a former research chemist that persuaded then President Ronald Reagan that the people who were saying that its "overblown" were living in denial, and if we didn't take immediate action mankind is in a world of deep shiznit! Long story short, after the typical BS political "experts" chiming in, they teamed up with 3M to replace CFCs in aerosol cans, air conditioners, refrigerators etc. with a gas that is significantly less harmful.
Here we are again. History repeating, and no I won't listen to an Obama opinion piece. He was a constitutional law professor. If I need medical advice I'll ask a doctor, weather a meteorologist etc. Certainly not a politically motivated opinion pusher and definitely not a fellow pilot!

Carbon dioxide levels are high due to excessive burning of fossil fuels and its having a detrimental effect on the climate. That's not an opinion or a political talking point, it's just a fact. Just like the ozone layer there will be nay sayers and politicians who flow with the tide of their constituents to secure re-election, but eventually the adults in the room will come together and figure out an acceptable solution. That's my hope at least.

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Old 08-07-2022, 03:21 PM
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Remember the hole in the ozone layer back in the 80's? Yeah, it was actually Margret Thatcher, then Prime Minister of the U.K. who was a former research chemist that persuaded then President Ronald Reagan that the people who were saying that its "overblown" were living in denial, and if we didn't take immediate action mankind is in a world of deep shiznit! Long story short, after the typical BS political "experts" chiming in, they teamed up with 3M to replace CFCs in aerosol cans, air conditioners, refrigerators etc. with a gas that is significantly less harmful.
Here we are again. History repeating, and no I won't listen to an Obama opinion piece. He was a constitutional law professor. If I need medical advice I'll ask a doctor, weather a meteorologist etc. Certainly not a politically motivated opinion pusher and definitely not a fellow pilot!

Carbon dioxide levels are high due to excessive burning of fossil fuels and its having a detrimental effect on the climate. That's not an opinion or a political talking point, it's just a fact. Just like the ozone layer there will be nay sayers and politicians who flow with the tide of their constituents to secure re-election, but eventually the adults in the room will come together and figure out an acceptable solution. That's my hope at least.
So that would be a no. You're unwilling to open your mind long enough to watch a five minute video of a former Obama administration environmental expert explain in clear, calm, and concise language what the data actually shows. This is not a right-wing, Exxon paid talking head. This is a member of the second most leftward administration in US history debunking the notion that we're in the midst of a climate "EMERGENCY!"

Yep, you're real interested in science FACT.
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Old 08-07-2022, 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver View Post
So that would be a no. You're unwilling to open your mind long enough to watch a five minute video of a former Obama administration environmental expert explain in clear, calm, and concise language what the data actually shows. This is not a right-wing, Exxon paid talking head. This is a member of the second most leftward administration in US history debunking the notion that we're in the midst of a climate "EMERGENCY!"

Yep, you're real interested in science FACT.
I don't remember anyone declaring an "emergency" but whatever. It's just one man's opinion anyway. Politicians are corrupt and say anything to fundraise or get re-elected. I'm just not interested in hearing it. I'm sure there are chicken littles out there along with those that bury there heads in the sand. As usual, somewhere in the middle is where the truth really lies.
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Old 08-08-2022, 06:40 AM
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I don't remember anyone declaring an "emergency" but whatever. It's just one man's opinion anyway. Politicians are corrupt and say anything to fundraise or get re-elected. I'm just not interested in hearing it. I'm sure there are chicken littles out there along with those that bury there heads in the sand. As usual, somewhere in the middle is where the truth really lies.
Actually, the history of climate "emergencies" used as scare tactics to try and influence people's behavior goes all the way back to the ice age warnings of the mid seventies. The truth is, there is ice core evidence of much warmer temperatures many years ago and ice ages. The climate is always changing and it's variations have to do with orbit wobbles, Sun activity, and possibly, to a very small degree, human activity. Can we destroy the planet? Probably not, short of detonation of all the nuclear devices on the planet at once.

I always smile at reports of millions dying in the coming decades as the sea levels rise and take them out. No, millions will relocate, but not die. As climates change people adapt. Been happening since the beginning and it will continue. Meanwhile alarmists push us into electric vehicles which will increase the cost of electricity (fast charging rates have already doubled in CA), and push our already weak grid past its limits. Battery mining and coal fired power plants belch pollution for those "zero emissions" vehicles, and nuclear, which is clean and safe seems to be off limits to the green crowd too.

So yes, we're sick of the dire predictions that never come true. We've had it with the attitude that because your intentions are good, your bad solutions must be followed. The best solutions, the ones that actually work, will win out in the market. Products that improve lives and are efficient and clean don't have to be forced on people.
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I don't remember anyone declaring an "emergency" but whatever. It's just one man's opinion anyway. Politicians are corrupt and say anything to fundraise or get re-elected. I'm just not interested in hearing it. I'm sure there are chicken littles out there along with those that bury there heads in the sand. As usual, somewhere in the middle is where the truth really lies.
You don't remember anyone calling it "an emergency"? How about the just published LA Times editorial demanding that POTUS declare a CLIMATE EMERGENCY and invoke Executive Orders to "curb carbon emissions"?

The person in the video isn't a politician and he isn't fundraising. He's a policy wonk who actually read the studies and the data and points out the pitfalls of climate alarmism. It really is worth five minutes of your time. Or will the time you spend typing a retort be a better use of those five minutes?
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Actually, the history of climate "emergencies" used as scare tactics to try and influence people's behavior goes all the way back to the ice age warnings of the mid seventies. The truth is, there is ice core evidence of much warmer temperatures many years ago and ice ages. The climate is always changing and it's variations have to do with orbit wobbles, Sun activity, and possibly, to a very small degree, human activity. Can we destroy the planet? Probably not, short of detonation of all the nuclear devices on the planet at once.

I always smile at reports of millions dying in the coming decades as the sea levels rise and take them out. No, millions will relocate, but not die. As climates change people adapt. Been happening since the beginning and it will continue. Meanwhile alarmists push us into electric vehicles which will increase the cost of electricity (fast charging rates have already doubled in CA), and push our already weak grid past its limits. Battery mining and coal fired power plants belch pollution for those "zero emissions" vehicles, and nuclear, which is clean and safe seems to be off limits to the green crowd too.

So yes, we're sick of the dire predictions that never come true. We've had it with the attitude that because your intentions are good, your bad solutions must be followed. The best solutions, the ones that actually work, will win out in the market. Products that improve lives and are efficient and clean don't have to be forced on people.
Well said.
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Old 08-08-2022, 12:20 PM
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QUOTE. Lefties really do just appeal to emotion rather than logic and reason. Your entire job could be legislated out of existence and you would still cry about "Faux news" and clap like a seal when colbert comes on and tells his canned jokes.[/QUOTE]

So anyone that is concerned about the climate is automatically a"leftie"? Wasn't it Richard Nixon who signed the clean air act into law? Clapping like a seal? WTF are you talking about? Possible side effect of taking ivermectin I'm guessing!
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Old 08-08-2022, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver View Post

The person in the video isn't a politician and he isn't fundraising. He's a policy wonk who actually read the studies and the data and points out the pitfalls of climate alarmism. It really is worth five minutes of your time. minutes?
You're right. I'll watch it.
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So anyone that is concerned about the climate is automatically a"leftie"? Wasn't it Richard Nixon who signed the clean air act into law?
Non-sequitur. Curbing pollution and wanting clean air, vs potential "climate change" having nothing to do with other.
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