https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority

One doesn't have to be a climate scientist to understand that no one truly knows whether human activity is having any significant effect on the climate.


Besides, not all the scientists agree that human activity is having an effect, and even among those that do, can't agree on how or to what degree, or even come up with basic models for it. So yeah, anyone who says as a matter of fact that human activity is having a significant effect on the climate is either lying, or ignorant of the facts...

Fixed it for ya.

 

Good job. Now please don't tell me that Santa Claus isn't real either. That will really break my heart.

I don't know why these so called scientists waste their time making it their lifes work researching this stuff. They should just ask some pilot on APC!

 

99% of scientists agree with whoever is funding them.

I actually like the idea of inexpensive, renewable, and energy sources that pollutes less. I like electric cars. I like nuclear, solar, and even wind generated power. But it has to make sense, and it has to also make financial sense. We aren't there yet (except for nuclear). And doing it for unproven reasons is just idiotic.

I'm also all about conservation and limiting pollution. But radical environmentalism is simply a vehicle for socialism. That is clear as day. Carbon in and of itself is not a problem, only idiots think it is.

 

That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But, the overwhelming majority of people who are educated in the matter would disagree with you, and that doesn't by default make them idiots.

I agree with the rest of your post though, and whether carbon dioxide is a legitimate problem or not, there's increasing pressure on big businesses to reduce their CO2 emissions. Not just from the government agencies but consumers too.
Celebrities in particular would would love to portray a "green" image as they pull up to a G5 in their Prius. Even if it's just a placebo.

 

False.

And this, again:

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority

 

No. It’s actually pretty evenly split. Just because CNN only gives air time to the people that claim the earths warming the last million years is caused by the last 50 years of human interaction… doesn’t mean they’re the vast majority. Whoever is paying the most or has the most at stake is who you see on TV or read about in the newspapers. There is plenty of opposition.

Case in point… being vaccinated means you won’t get Covid, masks work, vaccines don’t have side effects, Covid came from a bat…. All these theories were pushed by people who have the most at stake. 72% of advertising is from pharmaceutical companies. We now know all these theories were wrong.

The best thing about climate change is that there is enough people who completely disregard the last 50 years of predictions that have all been proven wrong, so the people in charge can still milk it for who knows how long. When the people pushing “green” energy starts to act like they give a crap… then maybe I’ll get on board. Until then… seems like only us peasants are doing anything about it.

 

Well like I said, it doesn't matter who is right or wrong. There is a worldwide movement to reduce carbon emissions and it will have an effect on private aviation. I think it has the potential to have more of an impact than any recession, which this thread was originally started for. The fact that sustainable fuel and carbon offsets exist helps mitigate the extremists, like the ones in France that Geewiz mentioned.

It would tough to argue that private aviation contributes to global warming if its "carbon neutral." Science turns into math at that point.

 

What are these BS references you keep posting? For every one you reference you could find at least 10 that say the opposite. Doesn't mean anything.

 

1- carbon offsets feed the extremists, not mitigates them.

2- If SAF works and is a better option, then it should absolutely be used, because it's the better option. Not because of a mandate or other such nonsense.

Facts and science have nothing to do with it. If it did, the entire enviro-extremist crap wouldn't even be discussed by the average person. Facts don't matter in today's discourse and policy creation. You apparently haven't figured that out yet.

Here is a list of scientists who signed a letter in 2008 calling out the enviro-extremists:

https://www.academia.edu/23481428/Wi...acts_are_clear


"We, the undersigned scientists, maintain that the case for alarm regarding climate change is grossly overstated. Surface temperature changes over the past century have been episodic and modest and there has been no net global warming for over a decade now. After controlling for population growth and property values, there has been no increase in damages from severe weather-related events. The computer models forecasting rapid temperature change abjectly fail to explain recent climate behavior."

NOVEMBER 19, 2008

“ “ PAID FOR BY THE CATO INSTITUTE, WWW.CATO.ORG 1. Swanson, K.L., and A. A. Tsonis. Geophysical Research Letters, in press: DOI:10.1029/2008GL037022. 2. Brohan, P., et al. Journal of Geophysical Research, 2006: DOI: 10.1029/2005JD006548. Updates at Temperature data (HadCRUT, CRUTEM,, HadCRUT5, CRUTEM5) Climatic Research Unit global temperature. 3. Pielke, R. A. Jr., et al. Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society, 2005: DOI: 10.1175/BAMS-86-10-1481. 4. Douglass, D. H., et al. International Journal of Climatology, 2007: DOI: 10.1002/joc.1651.

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