What would it take for you to stay
10-16-2022, 05:06 AM
#91
Mmmm wine
Joined APC: Feb 2020
Position: A220 FO
Posts: 958
Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver
Good Choice.
This is the short version:
Go to ANY major and 8 years from now you'll be a Captain picking pretty much whatever trip you want, dropping crappy layovers, adding longer layovers in better places and making a pretty good living without busting your hump.
Stay at Netjets and 20 years from now you'll STILL be pulling Teterboro 0430 Hot Spare, probably as a Captain but in the oldest, crappiest jet they have, extending left and right just trying to keep up with inflation.
Pretty simple math.
This is the short version:
Go to ANY major and 8 years from now you'll be a Captain picking pretty much whatever trip you want, dropping crappy layovers, adding longer layovers in better places and making a pretty good living without busting your hump.
Stay at Netjets and 20 years from now you'll STILL be pulling Teterboro 0430 Hot Spare, probably as a Captain but in the oldest, crappiest jet they have, extending left and right just trying to keep up with inflation.
Pretty simple math.
10-16-2022, 07:41 AM
#92
Banned
Joined APC: Oct 2019
Posts: 923
Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver
Good Choice.
This is the short version:
Go to ANY major and 20 years from now you'll be a Captain picking pretty much whatever trip you want, dropping crappy layovers, adding longer layovers in better places and making a pretty good living without busting your hump.
Stay at Netjets and 20 years from now you'll STILL be pulling Teterboro 0430 Hot Spare, probably as a Captain but in the oldest, crappiest jet they have, extending left and right just trying to keep up with inflation.
Pretty simple math.
This is the short version:
Go to ANY major and 20 years from now you'll be a Captain picking pretty much whatever trip you want, dropping crappy layovers, adding longer layovers in better places and making a pretty good living without busting your hump.
Stay at Netjets and 20 years from now you'll STILL be pulling Teterboro 0430 Hot Spare, probably as a Captain but in the oldest, crappiest jet they have, extending left and right just trying to keep up with inflation.
Pretty simple math.
10-16-2022, 08:28 AM
#93
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Joined APC: Feb 2020
Posts: 36
XL new hire
Maybe my perspective is somewhere in the middle.
But, I didn't drink all the kool-aid.
Not sure what my biggest gripe is, but before coming here, I dread airlines at work, and now it's worse. I am getting better at becoming a vegetable/brainless, and it seems to make it go by faster. Mid-tour etc., legacy pilots, and FedEx do it too. With better accommodations sometimes, though. If it's not southwest, I'll change and wear comfy clothes, which helps.
I've had a "good enough for me" experience as a new hire on the XL. I think more people need better expectations. Or better informed before coming here.
I knew coming in, I would only make 7/7 base pay (maybe CC52 someday) and some soft money on the side if I'm lucky. And I was okay with that. Obviously, who doesn't want more money (for less work), The airlines would give the most money, but I've met a lot of guys who thought they would pull in 200k here because they read of all the extended days' paychecks and heavy FDP fleets. And maybe we were told inflated numbers at the expo and indoc, but when people talk like that, I typically ignore them because every job posting and HR rep does that in any career field. And I knew I wasn't going to work the CC76 and extend.
I haven't worked here during a downturn, so I have yet to see how bad it gets when they don't need us.
I have flown with some excellent captains, some weird, and some that just want to complain about the company or union but have found some common ground, and it hasn't been an issue.
Hopefully, not too long, they should have their alimony paid up and can finally retire and be happy.
Strat ops could use more employees but has helped with better airlines and rental cars overall.
Owners have been what I expected so far. Mostly happy, a few less happy. I try my best.
For now, I'm content here, working for my days off, taking advantage of some occasional decent overnights, and will enjoy my 30s.
I want the company to be around until I retire. Harmony with management is excellent, but they will take advantage if we don't stand up for ourselves. On the road for our individual needs and as a collective bargaining group. I prefer not to fly with people who write up airplanes because they're bitter; rather get the flights done and make as much money as possible for our work.
Pilots that came here in the late 90's when the airlines were hiring like crazy, and this place sucked, and other times like now when the airlines are hiring like crazy, you have to think something might be wrong with them.
Once you're here long enough, the golden handcuffs.
Maybe my perspective is somewhere in the middle.
But, I didn't drink all the kool-aid.
Not sure what my biggest gripe is, but before coming here, I dread airlines at work, and now it's worse. I am getting better at becoming a vegetable/brainless, and it seems to make it go by faster. Mid-tour etc., legacy pilots, and FedEx do it too. With better accommodations sometimes, though. If it's not southwest, I'll change and wear comfy clothes, which helps.
I've had a "good enough for me" experience as a new hire on the XL. I think more people need better expectations. Or better informed before coming here.
I knew coming in, I would only make 7/7 base pay (maybe CC52 someday) and some soft money on the side if I'm lucky. And I was okay with that. Obviously, who doesn't want more money (for less work), The airlines would give the most money, but I've met a lot of guys who thought they would pull in 200k here because they read of all the extended days' paychecks and heavy FDP fleets. And maybe we were told inflated numbers at the expo and indoc, but when people talk like that, I typically ignore them because every job posting and HR rep does that in any career field. And I knew I wasn't going to work the CC76 and extend.
I haven't worked here during a downturn, so I have yet to see how bad it gets when they don't need us.
I have flown with some excellent captains, some weird, and some that just want to complain about the company or union but have found some common ground, and it hasn't been an issue.
Hopefully, not too long, they should have their alimony paid up and can finally retire and be happy.
Strat ops could use more employees but has helped with better airlines and rental cars overall.
Owners have been what I expected so far. Mostly happy, a few less happy. I try my best.
For now, I'm content here, working for my days off, taking advantage of some occasional decent overnights, and will enjoy my 30s.
I want the company to be around until I retire. Harmony with management is excellent, but they will take advantage if we don't stand up for ourselves. On the road for our individual needs and as a collective bargaining group. I prefer not to fly with people who write up airplanes because they're bitter; rather get the flights done and make as much money as possible for our work.
Pilots that came here in the late 90's when the airlines were hiring like crazy, and this place sucked, and other times like now when the airlines are hiring like crazy, you have to think something might be wrong with them.
Once you're here long enough, the golden handcuffs.
10-16-2022, 01:03 PM
#94
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Joined APC: Jul 2022
Posts: 49
Originally Posted by ProfessionalSN
XL new hire
Maybe my perspective is somewhere in the middle.
But, I didn't drink all the kool-aid.
Not sure what my biggest gripe is, but before coming here, I dread airlines at work, and now it's worse. I am getting better at becoming a vegetable/brainless, and it seems to make it go by faster. Mid-tour etc., legacy pilots, and FedEx do it too. With better accommodations sometimes, though. If it's not southwest, I'll change and wear comfy clothes, which helps.
I've had a "good enough for me" experience as a new hire on the XL. I think more people need better expectations. Or better informed before coming here.
I knew coming in, I would only make 7/7 base pay (maybe CC52 someday) and some soft money on the side if I'm lucky. And I was okay with that. Obviously, who doesn't want more money (for less work), The airlines would give the most money, but I've met a lot of guys who thought they would pull in 200k here because they read of all the extended days' paychecks and heavy FDP fleets. And maybe we were told inflated numbers at the expo and indoc, but when people talk like that, I typically ignore them because every job posting and HR rep does that in any career field. And I knew I wasn't going to work the CC76 and extend.
I haven't worked here during a downturn, so I have yet to see how bad it gets when they don't need us.
I have flown with some excellent captains, some weird, and some that just want to complain about the company or union but have found some common ground, and it hasn't been an issue.
Hopefully, not too long, they should have their alimony paid up and can finally retire and be happy.
Strat ops could use more employees but has helped with better airlines and rental cars overall.
Owners have been what I expected so far. Mostly happy, a few less happy. I try my best.
For now, I'm content here, working for my days off, taking advantage of some occasional decent overnights, and will enjoy my 30s.
I want the company to be around until I retire. Harmony with management is excellent, but they will take advantage if we don't stand up for ourselves. On the road for our individual needs and as a collective bargaining group. I prefer not to fly with people who write up airplanes because they're bitter; rather get the flights done and make as much money as possible for our work.
Pilots that came here in the late 90's when the airlines were hiring like crazy, and this place sucked, and other times like now when the airlines are hiring like crazy, you have to think something might be wrong with them.
Once you're here long enough, the golden handcuffs.
Maybe my perspective is somewhere in the middle.
But, I didn't drink all the kool-aid.
Not sure what my biggest gripe is, but before coming here, I dread airlines at work, and now it's worse. I am getting better at becoming a vegetable/brainless, and it seems to make it go by faster. Mid-tour etc., legacy pilots, and FedEx do it too. With better accommodations sometimes, though. If it's not southwest, I'll change and wear comfy clothes, which helps.
I've had a "good enough for me" experience as a new hire on the XL. I think more people need better expectations. Or better informed before coming here.
I knew coming in, I would only make 7/7 base pay (maybe CC52 someday) and some soft money on the side if I'm lucky. And I was okay with that. Obviously, who doesn't want more money (for less work), The airlines would give the most money, but I've met a lot of guys who thought they would pull in 200k here because they read of all the extended days' paychecks and heavy FDP fleets. And maybe we were told inflated numbers at the expo and indoc, but when people talk like that, I typically ignore them because every job posting and HR rep does that in any career field. And I knew I wasn't going to work the CC76 and extend.
I haven't worked here during a downturn, so I have yet to see how bad it gets when they don't need us.
I have flown with some excellent captains, some weird, and some that just want to complain about the company or union but have found some common ground, and it hasn't been an issue.
Hopefully, not too long, they should have their alimony paid up and can finally retire and be happy.
Strat ops could use more employees but has helped with better airlines and rental cars overall.
Owners have been what I expected so far. Mostly happy, a few less happy. I try my best.
For now, I'm content here, working for my days off, taking advantage of some occasional decent overnights, and will enjoy my 30s.
I want the company to be around until I retire. Harmony with management is excellent, but they will take advantage if we don't stand up for ourselves. On the road for our individual needs and as a collective bargaining group. I prefer not to fly with people who write up airplanes because they're bitter; rather get the flights done and make as much money as possible for our work.
Pilots that came here in the late 90's when the airlines were hiring like crazy, and this place sucked, and other times like now when the airlines are hiring like crazy, you have to think something might be wrong with them.
Once you're here long enough, the golden handcuffs.
10-16-2022, 02:10 PM
#95
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[QUOTE=ExecJet99;3513644]You were what 6 years old in the late 90’s? The only people getting hired then were space shuttle captains and all the military buds of buds. Then this small event called 911 happened. Ever hear of it? If you are in your 30’s and don’t want to be a part of the airline hiring happening now, I have to wonder if you are unable to be hired by them.[/QUOTEI appreciate how that’s your main takeaway from what I said. The original post of this thread claims why would anyone stay at NetJets right now during this hiring boom (especially younger pilots). Another pilot posted their bad experiences in their first year. I attempted to provide my view, not facts.
Lots of movement in the 90s, 2007 ish, pre-pandemic, and post-pandemic.
I am glad you’re not too old to forget 9/11 either, I know old age is hard.
Lots of movement in the 90s, 2007 ish, pre-pandemic, and post-pandemic.
I am glad you’re not too old to forget 9/11 either, I know old age is hard.
10-16-2022, 02:12 PM
#96
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Posts: 36
Originally Posted by ExecJet99
You were what 6 years old in the late 90’s? The only people getting hired then were space shuttle captains and all the military buds of buds. Then this small event called 911 happened. Ever hear of it? If you are in your 30’s and don’t want to be a part of the airline hiring happening now, I have to wonder if you are unable to be hired by them.
Lots of movement in the 90s, 2007 ish, pre-pandemic, and post-pandemic.
I am glad you’re not too old to forget 9/11 either, I know old age is hard.
10-16-2022, 04:37 PM
#97
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Joined APC: Jul 2022
Posts: 49
But seriously. Why are you not at the airlines in possibly the easiest time for almost anyone to get hired there. Let me guess. The basing system we have here. That’s what everyone I ask says. And frankly it’s the only thing that still is marketable for this place. You are correct. I like around 1000 of us are golden handcuffed. If I was younger I would have been gone. The earnings difference over a career is staggering. I will give you my advice as an old timer. This place will always kinda suck and not taking advantage of the hired going on now is a huge mistake.
10-16-2022, 04:48 PM
#98
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Posts: 36
Originally Posted by ExecJet99
But seriously. Why are you not at the airlines in possibly the easiest time for almost anyone to get hired there. Let me guess. The basing system we have here. That’s what everyone I ask says. And frankly it’s the only thing that still is marketable for this place. You are correct. I like around 1000 of us are golden handcuffed. If I was younger I would have been gone. The earnings difference over a career is staggering. I will give you my advice as an old timer. This place will always kinda suck and not taking advantage of the hired going on now is a huge mistake.
I’ve wanted to work here for a few years and I think I enjoy this type of flying and randomness more. With hopefully some stability long term.
cough and not willing to move to a hub…
10-16-2022, 06:56 PM
#99
Speed, Power, Accuracy
Joined APC: Sep 2007
Position: PIC
Posts: 1,703
Originally Posted by C2078
Very good synopsis. Life at NJ will never change. Life at the airlines improves steadily with seniority, which means absolutely nothing at NJ except for vacation and which type of schedule you get.
10-17-2022, 05:12 AM
#100
Mmmm wine
Joined APC: Feb 2020
Position: A220 FO
Posts: 958
Originally Posted by ExecJet99
But seriously. Why are you not at the airlines in possibly the easiest time for almost anyone to get hired there. Let me guess. The basing system we have here. That’s what everyone I ask says. And frankly it’s the only thing that still is marketable for this place. You are correct. I like around 1000 of us are golden handcuffed. If I was younger I would have been gone. The earnings difference over a career is staggering. I will give you my advice as an old timer. This place will always kinda suck and not taking advantage of the hired going on now is a huge mistake.
I can tell you that almost everyone at the legacies knows of NJA, and nobody at the legacies who commute, is thinking about leaving their airline to go fly for NJA because of home basing. Doesn't mean that NJA isn't a good place to hang your hat for the right person though.
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