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Old 11-04-2022 | 08:45 PM
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It's so weird, I specifically asked her if I had to have it prior to coming to the fair (versus prior to indoc) and she said it had to be done for the sim eval? Maybe different recruiters have different answers...which would be unfortunate if true, since I didn't attend the last fair due to not having the ATP done
Honestly, even less people will attend the next fair, considering our pay and work rules lagging. So, your odds of getting hire might be better!
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Old 11-04-2022 | 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by TeamSasquatch
Honestly, even less people will attend the next fair, considering our pay and work rules lagging. So, your odds of getting hire might be better!
Lol good way to look at it
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Old 11-05-2022 | 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by TeamSasquatch
Honestly, even less people will attend the next fair, considering our pay and work rules lagging. So, your odds of getting hire might be better!

Just curious. Have you and everyone else paid any attention to what the legacies are doing right now. Delta had a 98% vote for strike, UAL, AK, AA, and SWA are all having contentious negotiations at this point. All mostly pay attention to are the big raises regionals are getting.

I recently flew on a regional and asked the FO how the new raises were working out. Don’t remember the carrier but it was a United affiliate. He said PICs got the big jump, while FOs saw about $90/month.
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Old 11-05-2022 | 12:03 PM
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Just curious. Have you and everyone else paid any attention to what the legacies are doing right now. Delta had a 98% vote for strike, UAL, AK, AA, and SWA are all having contentious negotiations at this point. All mostly pay attention to are the big raises regionals are getting.

I recently flew on a regional and asked the FO how the new raises were working out. Don’t remember the carrier but it was a United affiliate. He said PICs got the big jump, while FOs saw about $90/month.
I’d be skeptical about how accurate the $90/mo pay bump was…. Unless maybe it’s a place that’s is dropping big dollars on DEC’s currently.

Looking at SkyWest for example. They went from something like ~$48/hr to $90/hr for a year one SIC. That’s gonna work out to much more than $90/mo.

Alaska has already ratified a new contract. And that is great news. I don’t know how long until the big 3 sign papers…. Probably not imminent, but it’s on the horizon. Either way; the company carrot of a new contract in Late 2023, won’t hold much water compared to hiring goals at the legacy’s.

The biggest issue I’d have for a year 1-4 pilot here is the total lack of control you’d have over your pay. If min guarantee was more, it’s no concern.

But, you are gambling with $30,000+ in soft money… pay is at the whim of computer software, fleet utilization, demand, MX,
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Old 11-07-2022 | 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by TeamSasquatch
I’d be skeptical about how accurate the $90/mo pay bump was…. Unless maybe it’s a place that’s is dropping big dollars on DEC’s currently.

Looking at SkyWest for example. They went from something like ~$48/hr to $90/hr for a year one SIC. That’s gonna work out to much more than $90/mo.

Alaska has already ratified a new contract. And that is great news. I don’t know how long until the big 3 sign papers…. Probably not imminent, but it’s on the horizon. Either way; the company carrot of a new contract in Late 2023, won’t hold much water compared to hiring goals at the legacy’s.

The biggest issue I’d have for a year 1-4 pilot here is the total lack of control you’d have over your pay. If min guarantee was more, it’s no concern.

But, you are gambling with $30,000+ in soft money… pay is at the whim of computer software, fleet utilization, demand, MX,
Someone had to take the first bullet.

Alaska will be sorry it rogered up a new CBA so quickly.

Not bad pay for a big regional airline…
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Old 11-07-2022 | 11:29 AM
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Someone had to take the first bullet.

Alaska will be sorry it rogered up a new CBA so quickly.

Not bad pay for a big regional airline…
Are they not now the highest paid 737 drivers with a snap up if the others do top them later? Someone had to go first and they may end up being the best paid for a while if the economy tanks and it takes years before anyone else gets something done. I guess it is possible they could have done better, but that is always the case in negotiations. Honestly, the majority of pilots at NetJets would probably be better off leaving for AK now. That said, many of us have some golden handcuffs and won't be leaving.

I'm not a big fan of Minrest when he comes to the fractional board and spouts "facts" that haven't been true for some time, but I don't have a problem when he relates things that are true. He hasn't been cheerleading his new contract, but I guess I will a little. It is better paying than the others now. Hopefully it leads the others to do way better and the snap up brings them up also. It certainly makes our base salary look weak.
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Old 11-08-2022 | 06:51 AM
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Are they not now the highest paid 737 drivers with a snap up if the others do top them later? Someone had to go first and they may end up being the best paid for a while if the economy tanks and it takes years before anyone else gets something done. I guess it is possible they could have done better, but that is always the case in negotiations. Honestly, the majority of pilots at NetJets would probably be better off leaving for AK now. That said, many of us have some golden handcuffs and won't be leaving.

I'm not a big fan of Minrest when he comes to the fractional board and spouts "facts" that haven't been true for some time, but I don't have a problem when he relates things that are true. He hasn't been cheerleading his new contract, but I guess I will a little. It is better paying than the others now. Hopefully it leads the others to do way better and the snap up brings them up also. It certainly makes our base salary look weak.
Weak-ER. It has always been weak.
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Old 11-08-2022 | 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by jtf560
Are they not now the highest paid 737 drivers with a snap up if the others do top them later? Someone had to go first and they may end up being the best paid for a while if the economy tanks and it takes years before anyone else gets something done. I guess it is possible they could have done better, but that is always the case in negotiations. Honestly, the majority of pilots at NetJets would probably be better off leaving for AK now. That said, many of us have some golden handcuffs and won't be leaving.

I'm not a big fan of Minrest when he comes to the fractional board and spouts "facts" that haven't been true for some time, but I don't have a problem when he relates things that are true. He hasn't been cheerleading his new contract, but I guess I will a little. It is better paying than the others now. Hopefully it leads the others to do way better and the snap up brings them up also. It certainly makes our base salary look weak.
JL is a clown. You guys think I am bitter, JL hasn't worked for an airline in almost two decades yet all he can do is trash them Truth is, AS has the highest narrowbody rates and a "me too" clause if it ends up dipping. Also, scheduling, soft pay, reserve rules and the majority of other sections were complete rewrites. We closed a huge gap. Our NJA new hire class has a group text and we all talk daily. Of the 15 or so of us, 6 are still at NJA so I know how compensation and QOL has stacked up before the CBA and with other airlines as we have one at purple, another at brown, 4 at SWA and 3 at UAL. When I talk about real world compensation and QOL it isn't out of thin air and made up. I don't peg AS against NJA for some penis measuring contest, nor would I ever. I don't cheerlead the new contract because it isn't necessary and it is honestly irrelevant to NJA.
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Old 11-08-2022 | 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver
Weak-ER. It has always been weak.
Even adding a modest FDP to the base salaries don't close the gap. You guys are so deserving and way behind a real salary increase. FDP has got to go.
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Old 11-08-2022 | 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by jtf560
Are they not now the highest paid 737 drivers with a snap up if the others do top them later? Someone had to go first and they may end up being the best paid for a while if the economy tanks and it takes years before anyone else gets something done. I guess it is possible they could have done better, but that is always the case in negotiations. Honestly, the majority of pilots at NetJets would probably be better off leaving for AK now. That said, many of us have some golden handcuffs and won't be leaving.

I'm not a big fan of Minrest when he comes to the fractional board and spouts "facts" that haven't been true for some time, but I don't have a problem when he relates things that are true. He hasn't been cheerleading his new contract, but I guess I will a little. It is better paying than the others now. Hopefully it leads the others to do way better and the snap up brings them up also. It certainly makes our base salary look weak.
Highest paid 737 pilots… until they aren’t.

Someone had to be first I guess… so that AA, DAL, SWA and UAL could stand on their backs.
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