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06-12-2023, 07:31 PM

#41

AirBear

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Originally Posted by Fly2023

Thank you to the magenta child for answering the original question. Would anyone know what the size limit would be to fit into the phenom. I think leg length may be the issue but I am not sure. Thank you again.

I'm 5'10.5" with a 30" inseam and I still had one click left (maybe 2) on the NJA Phenom 300's rudder pedal adjustment.

06-12-2023, 07:55 PM

#42

Swedepilut

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Originally Posted by AirBear

I'm 5'10.5" with a 30" inseam and I still had one click left (maybe 2) on the NJA Phenom 300's rudder pedal adjustment.

New hires are going into the 650 and global at this point.

06-13-2023, 02:04 AM

#43

FracCracka

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Originally Posted by Swedepilut

New hires are going into the 650 and global at this point.

Way back when people were upgrading in indoc. I’m thinking we’re an increase in attrition and one more legacy CBA from “the old days”.

06-13-2023, 03:30 AM

#44

GeeWizDriver

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Originally Posted by jtf560

It comes down to the length of your femur. If your knees touch the console under the yoke with the seat all the way back and down, you can fit out. Being tall with a long torso and regular length legs would not fit out.

I know a guy with a short torso but REALLY long legs. The company insisted on an in-person fit test. Union observer said "no f'ing" way. Program director said "he fits, he's in the Phenom." The dude is miserable but that was the point.

06-13-2023, 05:38 AM

#45

jtf560

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Originally Posted by Swedepilut

New hires are going into the 650 and global at this point.

This is not true. Newhires are allowed into any non "large cabin" fleet. Pilots just off probation have been junior assigned into the Globals and super junior pilots have been allowed out of their seat locks for the 650, but no new hires have been put into the 650 or Global and won't be without union approval.

06-13-2023, 06:23 AM

#46

SonnyTuckson

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Originally Posted by Swedepilut

New hires are going into the 650 and global at this point.

Not true at all.

06-13-2023, 08:09 AM

#47

Swedepilut

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Originally Posted by jtf560

Want to bet?

Watch the next bid that comes out.

06-13-2023, 09:01 AM

#48

Flyfalcons

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Originally Posted by Swedepilut

New hires are going into the 650 and global at this point.

Define "new hire"

06-13-2023, 10:03 AM

#49

hdgbug

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Originally Posted by Flyfalcons

Define "new hire"

It's semantics, but I would personally define those who I believe Swedepilut is talking about as probationary pilots, not new hires.

If my understanding of the CBA is correct, because they just waived seat locks on the 650 on the last bid they are now allowed to place new hires into that fleet as their initial fleet assignment. I have no idea how long they are allowed to do that post the waived seatlock award as the contract does not seem to specify. There is a relatively large class worth of fleet assignments dropping this Friday, so we will have to see what happens.

Up until that happens, yes there are junior pilots ending up in the 650 and Globals. Some have ended up being junior manned into those fleets, but that can only happen after completing your probationary year (1+ years on property). The most recent award waived seat locks allowing probationary pilots (sub-1 year on property) to be awarded the 650.