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10-23-2017 | 07:23 AM
#2821
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This goes beyond safety in the cockpit. These loopy dinosaurs are a huge training cost. Extra sims during recurrent, failing initials in new fleets and having to go back into their old fleet because they can’t learn 1990s technology. Also hire liability to cover medically. This isn’t just about safety in the cockpit although that is a factor.
10-23-2017 | 10:26 AM
#2822
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From: MD-11 FO
It is as far as the FAA is concerned. Anything else and it’s discrimination. Checkride failures, increase medical costs, etc etc are NetJets problems. The FAA has no legal ground to determine who they can hire or fire past the standard limitations to be a pilot as set in the FARs. And those limitations and standards have to be applied to ALL pilots from the first solo at 16 to the 75 year old NetJets pilot... equally and fairly.
I’m sure NetJets would love to see the government change the law so the onus is off them... but the Supreme Court could see it very differently.
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10-23-2017 | 10:34 AM
#2823
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It is as far as the FAA is concerned. Anything else and it’s discrimination. Checkride failures, increase medical costs, etc etc are NetJets problems. The FAA has no legal ground to determine who they can hire or fire past the standard limitations to be a pilot as set in the FARs. And those limitations and standards have to be applied to ALL pilots from the first solo at 16 to the 75 year old NetJets pilot... equally and fairly.
I’m sure NetJets would love to see the government change the law so the onus is off them... but the Supreme Court could see it very differently.
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I’m sure NetJets would love to see the government change the law so the onus is off them... but the Supreme Court could see it very differently.
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Just heard about another pilot having to go back to the XL because he couldn’t hack the Latitude. That’s a nice 50,000 dollar chunk of cash that NetJets will never get back and it has happened more than 5 times with 5 different pilots. Those are the ones I’ve heard about, and that doesn’t even factor in pilots that religiously require extra sims for their PC, those that can’t pass a LOFT etc.
10-23-2017 | 05:29 PM
#2825
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From: MD-11 FO
One fatal accident attributed to pilot error with one of them being 70+ and a training record as thick as a 1979 Sears catalog... it could shut the doors on NetJets. Why? Because everyone and their brother has been preaching for years about this problem.
10-23-2017 | 08:21 PM
#2826
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10-23-2017 | 08:24 PM
#2827
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Absolutely agree. I never understood why the company didn't take these pilots to the break room and say "we're sorry, you can either resign or be fired... thanks for working for us."
One fatal accident attributed to pilot error with one of them being 70+ and a training record as thick as a 1979 Sears catalog... it could shut the doors on NetJets. Why? Because everyone and their brother has been preaching for years about this problem.
One fatal accident attributed to pilot error with one of them being 70+ and a training record as thick as a 1979 Sears catalog... it could shut the doors on NetJets. Why? Because everyone and their brother has been preaching for years about this problem.
10-24-2017 | 05:02 AM
#2828
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From: FE, FO, CAPT.
The word I got is that the company's interest in the issue is rooted in the fact that there are presently too high a percentage of captains...not specifically an age issue. It's a money issue.
Because there is no contractual way of downgrading captains to FO, the company sees the age 65 issue as a way of getting rid of 144 (?) captains who make too much and hiring new FOs at less than half the pay. The FOs over age 65 are just collateral damage.
Because there is no contractual way of downgrading captains to FO, the company sees the age 65 issue as a way of getting rid of 144 (?) captains who make too much and hiring new FOs at less than half the pay. The FOs over age 65 are just collateral damage.
10-24-2017 | 06:45 AM
#2829
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Absolutely agree. I never understood why the company didn't take these pilots to the break room and say "we're sorry, you can either resign or be fired... thanks for working for us."
One fatal accident attributed to pilot error with one of them being 70+ and a training record as thick as a 1979 Sears catalog... it could shut the doors on NetJets. Why? Because everyone and their brother has been preaching for years about this problem.
One fatal accident attributed to pilot error with one of them being 70+ and a training record as thick as a 1979 Sears catalog... it could shut the doors on NetJets. Why? Because everyone and their brother has been preaching for years about this problem.
10-24-2017 | 07:36 AM
#2830
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The word I got is that the company's interest in the issue is rooted in the fact that there are presently too high a percentage of captains...not specifically an age issue. It's a money issue.
Because there is no contractual way of downgrading captains to FO, the company sees the age 65 issue as a way of getting rid of 144 (?) captains who make too much and hiring new FOs at less than half the pay. The FOs over age 65 are just collateral damage.
Because there is no contractual way of downgrading captains to FO, the company sees the age 65 issue as a way of getting rid of 144 (?) captains who make too much and hiring new FOs at less than half the pay. The FOs over age 65 are just collateral damage.
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