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10-26-2017 | 07:48 AM

#2851

CaptainRJ

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Originally Posted by Flyfalcons

If you've seen the recent AIN article, that's exactly what is being introduced. Not too many other 91K/135 operators with more than 100,000 flights annually.

What is the referenced article located? Is the Feds really looking at age for 91/135?

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10-26-2017 | 08:32 AM

#2852

Flyfalcons

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Originally Posted by CaptainRJ

What is the referenced article located? Is the Feds really looking at age for 91/135?

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Captainrj

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/business-aviation/2017-10-19/congress-said-mull-age-65-extension-part-91k/135

10-26-2017 | 12:22 PM

#2853

Jetlife

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Originally Posted by Chris99

Well the attrition is about 50/50 PIC to SIC, so the percentages aren't changing significantly quickly. But you are right, if the company can downgrade per the contract, I don't see why they wouldn't.

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Yea the ratios would have to change to beyond the threshold stipulated in the CBA but if it did, the company has every right to exercise it.

10-27-2017 | 06:46 PM

#2854

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The company and the union have concluded IBI negotiations and (shockingly) the parties have not reached an agreement.

In my view, the union should have saved themselves some time and told the company to pound sand when they included the phrase "cost neutral" in the email announcing the IBI. But that is just me...

10-27-2017 | 10:32 PM

#2855

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Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver

The company and the union have concluded IBI negotiations and (shockingly) the parties have not reached an agreement.

What exactly was the company after in the first place? Did this have anything to do with the age 65 issue?

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10-28-2017 | 04:37 AM

#2856

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Originally Posted by G550Guy

What exactly was the company after in the first place? Did this have anything to do with the age 65 issue?

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They've got a "productivity" problem. No specifics have come back yet but, in general, the company wanted more "flexibility" in exchange for more soft money.

Mandatory retirement was never part of the IBI discussion because the union simply CAN'T negotiate on that topic without risking a YUUUUGE DFR suit. You know, like the one YOU should have filed amigo. ;-)

10-28-2017 | 04:38 AM

#2857

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Increased efficiencies and a contract extension

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10-28-2017 | 06:34 AM

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Contract extension hahaaah, you have 7 more freaking years as it is. What a joke.

10-28-2017 | 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by flyguy37

Increased efficiencies and a contract extension

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WTFudge? They already own you when you’re at work... they want blood from a turnip now?

Man I hate to see how a once great gig has descended to this. Sad sad sad.

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10-28-2017 | 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by G550Guy

Maybe they could get the age 65ers to promise not to fatigue so the flights can keep going. I also think that if they pay pilots to waive rest and just fly 24/7, productivity would go through the roof!